Saturn Sky

[Cableguy]

"Go on, feel the wind in your hair. With a 177-horsepower engine with 166 ft. lbs. of torque, you’re guaranteed a fun and exhilarating driving experience."
GM was just kidding right...please tell me there kidding

[LOW_07]

my moms minivan has more power than that.

[Davandy]

Saturn is basically an Opel Astra build in GM Antwerp Belgium
It’s specially made for the American market.:biggrin:

[TrailLeadr]

"Go on, feel the wind in your hair. With a 177-horsepower engine with 166 ft. lbs. of torque, you’re guaranteed a fun and exhilarating driving experience."
GM was just kidding right...please tell me there kidding

It's not a lot of power, but it wouldn't matter if the power to weight ratio is good. Looks like a very light weight car.

I don't know what that Saturn weighs, but assuming it's about the same as an Audi TT, or BMW Roadster then it's in the neighborhood of 2500lbs, which would put it about 14.1:1.
The 2000 Audi TT has a weight to hp ratio of 11.8:1
The 2000 BMW Roadster is 12.1:1

Comparitively the '93 Suburban is 22.8:1 (2wd) or 24.3:1 (4x4)

[GWAGON_99]

I'm not trying to change the subject, and I would probably choose my Yukon over my bike but since we're talking numbers... an '06 VFR Interceptor has a 4.3:1 ratio.:biggrin:

[TrailLeadr]

an '06 VFR Interceptor has a 4.3:1 ratio.:biggrin:

That's pretty impressive. I'd like to have that ratio in my 'burb....lol:biggrin::biggrin:

[Cableguy]

It's not a lot of power, but it wouldn't matter if the power to weight ratio is good. Looks like a very light weight car.

I don't know what that Saturn weighs, but assuming it's about the same as an Audi TT, or BMW Roadster then it's in the neighborhood of 2500lbs, which would put it about 14.1:1.
The 2000 Audi TT has a weight to hp ratio of 11.8:1
The 2000 BMW Roadster is 12.1:1

Comparitively the '93 Suburban is 22.8:1 (2wd) or 24.3:1 (4x4)

A 454 Suburban...horsepower to weight ratio...are you kidding me its all about driving over the next object and laughing sadistically...:)

[Cableguy]

In all honesty my Dad took one out and said it was puke. He said my 81 chevette would have smoked it back in the day..HA HA HA
The Skye sorry not the BURB

[TrailLeadr]

A 454 Suburban...horsepower to weight ratio...are you kidding me its all about driving over the next object and laughing sadistically...:)

Well yes, that is very true. But it's not much good if you have to chase the little vehicle down to run it over.:tongue:

[Canada]

The point of the car isn't to win a drag race....its just a little roadster....think Miata.

[Steve]

I don't fit into those cars, so it doesn't matter to me anyhow. If you've over about 6' tall, forget it.

[TrailLeadr]

I don't see the problem Steve. It's got plenty of headroom, since it's convertable. Just because you can't hold the wheel because your knees are in the way, is no reason to avoid buy the car.:tongue:

[Cableguy]

I'm the same as Steve I feel like a dog humping a football getting into a Sundird nevermind one of those things...

[84fiero123]

I'm the same as Steve I feel like a dog humping a football getting into a Sundird nevermind one of those things...

Don’t laugh.

Steve, yes you will fit, hell you will fit in my Fiero comfortably.

We have guys, and gals on my fiero forum that are 6’4” that drive them..

Also my 86 Fiero SE V6 Has about 150 HP weights about the same.

Does 0 to 60 in about 7.5 seconds. Granted that’s not light speed or as good as a Vet. But if the Saturn is built similar to the Fiero in has a super structure. The reason it weights so much for such a small car.

The fiero will out maneuver most sports cars. Because of it wide track stance. It will beat a Corvette, or Ferrari on a g force skid pad, and beat them both in the slalom course.

[TrailLeadr]

I'm the same as Steve I feel like a dog humping a football getting into a Sundird nevermind one of those things...

Now are talking English mastiff, or Dachshund?:tongue:

[84fiero123]

Now are talking English mastiff, or Dachshund?:tongue:

Just to give my previous statement some credibility.

Some Interesting Fiero Stuff

Performance





- The V-6 Fiero hit .84-.86g on the skidpad (4-cyl was roughly .80-82g)


Porsche 911 Carrera -> .85g (the Carrera 4 was at .83g)


Ferrari Testarossa -> .84g


Lotus Esprit Turbo -> .86g


Lamborghini Diablo VT -> .87g


Acura NSX -> .87g


Acura Integra GS-R -> .82g


Pontiac Firebird Trans Am/Formula ('93+) -> .82g-.85g


Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX -> .86g


- The Fiero ran the slalom at 63.4-63.9 mph (about 61.5 for 4-cyl. models).


Pontiac Firebird Trans Am -> 59.7 mph


Lotus Epsrit S4 -> 60.6 mph


Porsche 911 Carrera -> 61.9 mph


BMW M3 -> 62.8 mph


Corvette ZR-1 -> 63.6 mph


Ferrari 348 -> 62.8 mph


Acura NSX -> 62.3 mph


Dodge Viper -> 62.7 mph


Ford Mustang Cobra (1994) -> 61.1 mph


Nissan 300ZX Turbo -> 63.0 mph



- The V-6 Fiero consistantly accelerated from 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.


The Lamborghini Diablo manages 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.


- Best 1/4-mile time for a stock V-6 Fiero: 14.7 @ 92 mph

Worst: 17.0 @ 80 mph

Both Fieros were GT's with manual transmissions.


- Best top speed for a stock V-6 Fiero: 135 mph

Worst: 115 mph

Both Fieros were '85 GT's, the latter with an automatic

transmission.

From

http://www.northfloridafieros.homestead.com/InterestingFieroFacts.html

[GWAGON_99]

Don’t laugh.

Steve, yes you will fit, hell you will fit in my Fiero comfortably.

We have guys, and gals on my fiero forum that are 6’4” that drive them..

Also my 86 Fiero SE V6 Has about 150 HP weights about the same.

Does 0 to 60 in about 7.5 seconds. Granted that’s not light speed or as good as a Vet. But if the Saturn is built similar to the Fiero in has a super structure. The reason it weights so much for such a small car.

The fiero will out maneuver most sports cars. Because of it wide track stance. It will beat a Corvette, or Ferrari on a g force skid pad, and beat them both in the slalom course.
Define comfortably. My '97 Trans Am WS6 was driveable but I wouldn't even go as far as comfortable, especially on a long trip. Also are you saying that you would rather have a Fiero over a Vette? :)

[Cableguy]

I bought my dad a fiero (86 Ithink) as a project to tinker with he's says its come long way lookin and running great ($100 car) I will post pics next time I get out there ok 84fiero123?

[84fiero123]

Define comfortably. My '97 Trans Am WS6 was driveable but I wouldn't even go as far as comfortable, especially on a long trip. Also are you saying that you would rather have a Fiero over a Vette? :)

I’ve had both, right now we have the 86 SE V6.

We had the 76 Vet., last of the Stingrays. I think inside it was smaller, a lot harder to get in and out of, (with the T tops in) ride was harder.

As far as driving comfort, the Fiero seat are thicker, and more rap around. Keeps you in the seats better in those quick turns.

Not saying I would rather have one than the other just that the fiero was easier to get in and out of, and a lot more comfortable on a long ride.

Comfort on a long trip, If it’s more than 2 hours away I take the Burb. I never said they were comfortable.

When you buy a 2 seater sports car you are not buying it for comfort.

Why do you think we own so many different vehicles?

[84fiero123]

I bought my dad a fiero (86 Ithink) as a project to tinker with he's says its come long way lookin and running great ($100 car) I will post pics next time I get out there ok 84fiero123?

Please do post pics. I got mine for $200 needed a front end. If he needs any help with anything give me a holler. I still have our first 84 4 cyl.

[Cableguy]

Please do post pics. I got mine for $200 needed a front end. If he needs any help with anything give me a holler. I still have our first 84 4 cyl.

thanks buddy, ya I think he was just looking for 2 front seats now

[84fiero123]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/167/22407016ib5.th.jpg (http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=22407016ib5.jpg)

Lets see just how big this is.

[84fiero123]

thanks buddy, ya I think he was just looking for 2 front seats now

The best place is down in Conn.

he has litteraly hundreds, does V8 convetions.

Just where is your dad located?

Try PFF if he isn't already a member, lots of good info and parts.

http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin/fiero/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro&BypassCookie=true

[Cableguy]

Sometimes you guys in the states get whooped with snow. You can't open doors on that till spring LOL

[84fiero123]

Sometimes you guys in the states get whooped with snow. You can't open doors on that till spring LOL

I wouldn’t even try to get in it till the snow melts.

You can’t even see over the snow banks in it now.

We just got 2’ of snow a few days ago.

Around here that’s just a snow storm, 6” is flurries.

[Cableguy]

I'm guessing that I could get half way to steves house before I'd half to get off my snowmobile LOL. Thanks for the web link and my Dads north of me in Ontario

[84fiero123]

I'm guessing that I could get half way to steves house before I'd half to get off my snowmobile LOL. Thanks for the web link and my Dads north of me in Ontario

No I have an ITS trail right next to my house that goes all the way to Canada.

So you could make it all the way on your sled.

Well if he is up there we have quite a few members in Canada on the PFF site that are more than happy to help.

[Cableguy]

No I have an ITS trail right next to my house that goes all the way to Canada.

So you could make it all the way on your sled.

Well if he is up there we have quite a few members in Canada on the PFF site that are more than happy to help.

I will pass that on thx

[Cableguy]

The point of the car isn't to win a drag race....its just a little roadster....think Miata.

Looks like Canada has a point, maybe I should shut up (I still want a bigger motor in it)
Quote: Toronto, Ontario (Wednesday, February 14, 2007) - The Saturn Sky Red Line was honoured today by the Automobile Journalists Association of Canada (AJAC) as the “Best New Design” for 2007 in an awards ceremony at the Canadian International Auto Show.

“We’re thrilled with AJAC’s recognition of the Sky Red Line’s design, which is further evidence of the design renaissance taking place across GM’s line-up,” said Arturo Elias, President of GM of Canada. “The Sky Red Line is part of the complete reinvention of Saturn’s product lineup, offering more power, sportier driving dynamics, combined with a bold design and driver-focused interior.”

Since it was first introduced less than a year ago at the 2006 New York Auto Show, the Sky Red Line has evoked a passionate response from consumers and automotive journalists alike. With its dynamic design and quick and agile performance, the 2007 Sky Red Line delivers a bold message about the next generation of vehicles from Saturn.

[LOW_07]

Just to give my previous statement some credibility.

- The V-6 Fiero hit .84-.86g on the skidpad (4-cyl was roughly .80-82g)


Porsche 911 Carrera -> .85g (the Carrera 4 was at .83g)


Ferrari Testarossa -> .84g


Lotus Esprit Turbo -> .86g


Lamborghini Diablo VT -> .87g


Acura NSX -> .87g


Acura Integra GS-R -> .82g


Pontiac Firebird Trans Am/Formula ('93+) -> .82g-.85g


Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX -> .86g


- The Fiero ran the slalom at 63.4-63.9 mph (about 61.5 for 4-cyl. models).


Pontiac Firebird Trans Am -> 59.7 mph


Lotus Epsrit S4 -> 60.6 mph


Porsche 911 Carrera -> 61.9 mph


BMW M3 -> 62.8 mph


Corvette ZR-1 -> 63.6 mph


Ferrari 348 -> 62.8 mph


Acura NSX -> 62.3 mph


Dodge Viper -> 62.7 mph


Ford Mustang Cobra (1994) -> 61.1 mph


Nissan 300ZX Turbo -> 63.0 mph



- The V-6 Fiero consistantly accelerated from 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.


The Lamborghini Diablo manages 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.


- Best 1/4-mile time for a stock V-6 Fiero: 14.7 @ 92 mph

Worst: 17.0 @ 80 mph

Both Fieros were GT's with manual transmissions.


- Best top speed for a stock V-6 Fiero: 135 mph

Worst: 115 mph

Both Fieros were '85 GT's, the latter with an automatic

transmission.

From

http://www.northfloridafieros.homestead.com/InterestingFieroFacts.html


February 1993 road & track

Toyota Supra TT (6spd)
320 hp, 0-60 5.3 sec, quarter mile 13.7, braking 60-0 122 feet, braking 80-0 208 feet, skid pad 0.98g, slalom 65.4.

http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/articles/mk4/3_93rtsupra.html

[Steve]

For comfort on long trips, nothing was better than the big bench seat of the suburban. More legroom than you need and you don't feel all cramped.

Right now I drive the cavalier back and forth to work. It's 14 miles each way, so I'm only putting on about 30 miles per day. That's about enough for me in that little car. I have driven it longer and farther, but mostly it's just getting me to work and back with about 32-33 MPG.

[TrailLeadr]

Looks like Canada has a point, maybe I should shut up (I still want a bigger motor in it)
I don't think it needs a bigger motor, I think it just needs to be tuned for a little more power. A sweet little garrett T20 or T25 in there, and maybe a hotter cam, and I think you'd have the makings for some white knuckles.

[Steve]

I don't think it needs a bigger motor, I think it just needs to be tuned for a little more power. A sweet little garrett T20 or T25 in there, and maybe a hotter cam, and I think you'd have the makings for some white knuckles.

Didn't we ban Canada? (the user, not the country)???

[TrailLeadr]

No, his post was stricken due to it's content. But this post on this thread was made long before that.

Did you want to ban the country? I'm up for that....lol

[Cableguy]

I don't think it needs a bigger motor, I think it just needs to be tuned for a little more power. A sweet little garrett T20 or T25 in there, and maybe a hotter cam, and I think you'd have the makings for some white knuckles.

Ya your probably right. Unchoke the motor and hop it up...I think they would sell more to be honest.

BTW whats the Canadian conspiricy all about. First it was our soft wood then mad cow disease...now GMTruckClub...:rofl: