This MUST be read!! !Watch video about E15 gas if you have a car older than lastyear

[joshuaT]

So I decided to do the whole E85 in my 97 4.3 and guess what, after a few tanks of fuel it was running good. I started off by mixing 2-3 gallons in with the regular fuel. Then I went to 50/50. After a few more tanks I went to straight 100 E85. You say it can't be done, I called and talked to a few places that make kits for cars and sure enough they said some 4.3's don't need any conversions. Then after a few days something happened, my fuel pump died. Go figure, all the crap from all over the world finally came up and killed it. When I changed the pump, my tank was super shiny inside but my pump was stained dark pee yellow. I later won a free kit on FB from the company so I can do the hardwire to my engine if I feel like doing it.

On a side note, why did the military and gov't buy tons of flex fuel vehicles when they don't either sell it or use it on base. I know in the late 90's we had propane trucks and again they had to go off base just to fill up. Talk about a waste of time.

[dobey]

Ahem. Ahem. Cough cough.

Corrosion is caused by oxidation. They are not fundamentally exclusive. They are inextricably always together. They are often referred to as one and the same thing, and this is not incorrect.

This is true, but it is incorrect to say that the Ethanol is the one doing the oxydizing; when it is in fact, water, that is doing it. Or in many cases, it's road salt or sea salt (in the air).

And it's not the only thing in this report that the so-called "auto expert" spouts off that's not accurate.

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On a side note, why did the military and gov't buy tons of flex fuel vehicles when they don't either sell it or use it on base. I know in the late 90's we had propane trucks and again they had to go off base just to fill up. Talk about a waste of time.

Not sure what you mean by that exactly. All the bases near me (and there are a lot of them) have E85. In fact, the bases are the only place around here that one can get E85, unless maybe the county engineering facilities have it now too. Perhaps whatever bases you're referring to are just slow to get it due to location or something? Or maybe they opted not to.

[joshuaT]

I'm in Vegas and all the recent trips I've taken to other bases and I've not yet to see one e85 pump. I think it's sort of a conspiracy because the gov't owns GM so they buy all their vehicles with e85 so it puts money back into them so they can turn a profit. Using the tax payers money to buy that technology that has the potential to harm others engines unless you modify yours. Also they don't sell diesel on base here. Maybe they don't care about catering to the retirees whom drive those large rv's and trucks.

[Enkeiavalanche]

Just got the newest SEMA news and saw this..

By SEMA Washington, D.C., Staff
Last August, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit dismissed a lawsuit that challenged the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) authority to permit the sale of 15% ethanol (E15) content in gasoline for ’01 and newer model-year cars and light trucks. The full eight-judge panel has now rejected a petition to reconsider that decision. The court found that the groups bringing the lawsuit, which included trade associations representing manufacturers of cars, boats and power equipment, along with the petroleum and food industries, lacked standing to bring the lawsuit.

SEMA opposes E15 based on scientific evidence that it causes corrosion with incompatible parts. Ethanol increases water formation, which can then create formic acid and corrode metals, plastics and rubber. In light of the Court’s decision, SEMA is turning to the U.S. Congress to enact legislation to ban the sale of E15.

“The Court’s decision is disappointing for the millions of motorists who own older cars or those with high-performance specialty parts,” said Steve McDonald, SEMA vice president of government affairs. “These vehicles and parts are threatened with destruction by E15’s chemical properties. The EPA acknowledged the threat but, beyond minimal labeling requirements, took no additional steps to ensure that incompatible vehicles and engines were not misfueled with E15.”

SEMA is seeking passage of federal legislation that would prevent the EPA from introducing E15 into the marketplace until the National Academies has conducted a study on how gasoline blended with 15% to 20% ethanol may impact gas-powered vehicles. The analysis would consider a variety of issues, including tailpipe emissions, materials compatibility and fuel efficiency.

SEMA represents thousands of companies that market products for these vehicles and, through its SEMA Action Network, millions of enthusiasts who buy and operate these automobiles.

[marine59]

WOW !!! thank you for the heads up i had the understanding that fuel from CORN was good I now have my doughts, my 5 cyl colorado seems to run fine and i get great M.P.G.,s on the 10% i use my truck has been running a little rough latley i was told the colorado 5cyl had a valve seat problem and G. M. has warrantied the engine for 100,000 mile i am trying to confirm that, thru G.M. (government motors) so far no luck have a super day marine59 SEMPER-FI