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01-07-2013, 03:31 PM #1
On Star and Black Box - Tracking concerns
http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011...le-some-users/). Media and congressional inquiry pressures eventually caused OnStar to reverse the change, but it's still a dangerously large (for the consumer) gray area.
2) How so? Well you read what they wanted you to read. I read the fine print in OnStar's privacy FAQ (located HERE: https://www.onstar.com/web/portal/privacy#Track)
Does OnStar track the location or speed of my car? The simple answer is no. OnStar does not continuously track the location or speed of your car. OnStar only knows this information when:
- there is a request for service initiated from within the car (when you press an OnStar button to speak with an advisor);
- there is a request for Stolen Vehicle Assistance or to locate a missing person;
- there is an Air Bag Deployment;
- there is an Automatic Crash Response;
- required by law;
- required to protect our rights or property or the safety of you or others;
- required by us for research or troubleshooting purposes; or
- required for the delivery by OnStar of new or enhanced services that you have requested.
So even if I don't request OnStar to track my speed/location/other information, if the air bags deploy they are informed of it. Or, if Johnny Law asks them to track it -- they will. Or if they feel they must track my vehicle to protect THEIR (OnStar's) rights ... they will. Or if they feel they need to track me for 'research' purposes (or maybe I'm part of a random sample) -- they will. Or if they are troubleshooting they might track me (deliberately or, again, as part of a random sample).
There are WAY too many gray areas in that -- where information about me (location) or my vehicle can be tracked by that device/service without my express authorization. I'm a law abiding citizen and have nothing to hide ... but that doesn't mean I shouldn't protect my privacy. I happen to work in information/computer security, so I have a very good idea of what can be done with the information once obtained ... and also how it might be shared, dispersed, hacked, and/or used against me (even in seemingly unmalicious ways -- consider an insurance company that sees that I had an airbag deployment at 56mph and notes in the accident report it was a 55mph zone -- perhaps they might 'do their job' and try to deny the claim?).
Better safe than sorry. There is no black box in my truck, anymore...
01-07-2013, 03:48 PM #2
Do you have a smart phone? If yes, pretty much all of them have GPS, or other ways to gather or monitor someone. Turning off the GPS is NOT a guarantee.
Do you have internet in your home? If yes, your ISP assigns you an IP address and that can be VERY easily monitored (what sites you go to, how often you visit them, etc.).
What of all the information people give out on social media (Facebook, Twitter, Google+, etc.)? Big brother doesn't have to do much except read someone's Facebook page.
In the end, does the government want to spend the time and money to monitor everyone's activities?
01-07-2013, 03:51 PM #3
To the best of my knowledge, the "black box" records a 30 sec continuously rolling segment of the vehicle data. So, your 56 mph, in a 55, could still be captured and used against you in a court of law.
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01-07-2013, 04:05 PM #4
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01-07-2013, 04:10 PM #5
A warrant is not issued lightly, but if there was sufficient reason for a judge to issue the warrant, "big brother" can get it.
I guess the point is, if you are a "law-abiding" driver you should have nothing to worry about.
01-07-2013, 04:20 PM #6
I apologize to the original poster that we're WAY off topic. I had no intention of spawning a left turn in this thread. Thus, this will be my final response...
They'd have to come face me (not OnStar to get remote data, but me, directly) with a warrant in hand for access to the truck beyond reasonable external observation. I am just fine with that, as that's how it should be. I trust myself to protect my privacy as I see fit -- and that's not true of corporations.
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01-07-2013, 04:27 PM #7Minneapolis area - 1997 K2500 regular cab long bed + 8.5' Western Unimount plow + modified transmission + 2nd battery + modified camper charge circuit + 1971 Cayo camper -and- 2004 4x4 Suburban 2500 8.1 + Maxbrake controller + 2nd battery + modified trailer charge circuit + Reese receiver, pulls 30' Airstream trailer
01-07-2013, 05:58 PM #8
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The black box/SDM is only used in an accident. If the accident isnt a fatality or serious injury the data will never be down loaded.
01-07-2013, 06:32 PM #9
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Due to the off-topic nature of this (when these posts were attached to a different thread/subject), I went ahead and split the thread and started a new one, as this topic is drawing interest and it appears that people would like to continue the discussion.
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01-07-2013, 07:08 PM #10
required by us for research or troubleshooting purposes
So, is research to them whom there customers are? So, why not check on them? I have a few friends that worked for onstar here in Michigan. I few years back they would always laugh and tell us at parties how they access peoples info for "research" purposes. They said that with some systems they could actually listen in on conversations in the vehicle with no one knowing. That was a few years ago. Then last summer there was all over the news about onstar doing this. After that they "changed" their policy or actually reworded it so they could still do it.
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