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01-10-2013, 11:20 PM #1
The creeping loss of the 4x4 offroad experience
I don't know how it is out there in the rest of the U.S., but here in Minnesota there's been enough governmental chipping away at the 4x4 community that there isn't as much interest in building up mud trucks as there used to was.
Offroading on public roads is now confined to marked trails, and nearly all trails are open to ATVs, most to motorcycles, and only a handful to trucks. There have been some high-profile prosecutions for "malicious damage to wetlands" of people offroading on their own private land. You can't really play in the mud unless you are in a really remote area or can claim that what you're doing is farming-related, since that's one of the few safe harbors.
The gov isn't entirely to blame since many people who used to drive Jeeps or built-up trucks have moved to ATVs.
I don't know when the heyday of the 4x4 pickup was exactly but it now seems like it's in the past.Minneapolis area - 1997 K2500 regular cab long bed + 8.5' Western Unimount plow + modified transmission + 2nd battery + modified camper charge circuit + 1971 Cayo camper -and- 2004 4x4 Suburban 2500 8.1 + Maxbrake controller + 2nd battery + modified trailer charge circuit + Reese receiver, pulls 30' Airstream trailer
01-11-2013, 12:16 AM #2
I have noticed that trend in Michigan. There are plenty of places to go offroad and not be concerned about negative ramifications. Obviously, the farther you get from Detroit the more opportunity there is to hit the mud. There are a few gravel pits that the owners will let you in near my home. We have the state owned silver lake sand dunes. I know of at least two privately owned "offroad parks". Both consist of heavily wooded areas, steep rocky hills, and large open fields with mud pits. While I do notice many more atvs out there than in the past. I chalk this up to cost. You can buy a pretty nice atv for what it cost to buy your lift, tires, and gears. That is assuming that you already have a truck to put them on. I have also seen a trend lately of younger guys building some pretty large and capable mud trucks using mid 90's model trucks. My cousins live right in between Detroit and Lansing. During the summer there is at least one farmer hosting a mud bog in his fields on the weekends. Some of the trucks you see out there are absolutely crazy. I have seen a few blown trucks running 54" Super swamper Boggers. The law enforcement does show up occasionally (To Watch!!). They basically leave the guys alone. Even when they run their trucks on the road to get them home. (They are way over the lift law height) I am sure that at some point the environmentalists will make their way here and start the same trend the you are seeing in your home state. As of now it is alive and well here.
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01-11-2013, 10:45 PM #3
What seems to have disappeared, here at least, is the street legal trail riding rig with a modest lift, suitable tires, lights, and maybe a winch. They used to be common.Minneapolis area - 1997 K2500 regular cab long bed + 8.5' Western Unimount plow + modified transmission + 2nd battery + modified camper charge circuit + 1971 Cayo camper -and- 2004 4x4 Suburban 2500 8.1 + Maxbrake controller + 2nd battery + modified trailer charge circuit + Reese receiver, pulls 30' Airstream trailer
01-11-2013, 11:47 PM #4
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I haven't noticed anything changing in Colorado. I mostly off-road on National Forest property (public), which covers a significant amount of land and old mining trails, ghost towns, areas around the Continental Divide, etc. There are many off-road organizations that help repair, restore, and modify trails, so it really keeps a lot of the environmentalist happy for the most part. They also provide services on private property for those that are kind enough to let us drive through.
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01-12-2013, 02:51 AM #5
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In Georgia and Alabama I have actually seen a lot more mud Boggs showing up. I doubt the huge truck scene will every die around here. And if your ever in north ga n think your truck can go thru anything, stop by. I got a giant pit of Georgia red clay and a Deere to get you out of it2009 chevy 1500 z71 4x4
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01-13-2013, 08:15 AM #6
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01-13-2013, 09:04 AM #7
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Well as some of you know I am very involved with SEMA and get emails and letter and Mags all the time and when I do have the time I read them.. Here is some News you might want to read..
Forest Service Planning RuleThe U.S. Forest Service updated its Planning Rule, which provides guidance and directives for managing the country’s 155 national forests and 20 grasslands encompassing 193 million acres. The courts have rejected previous versions of the Planning Rule in recent years. SEMA joined with a number of other organizations representing the off-road community in opposing the latest version on grounds that it does not adequately protect access for motorized recreation and will be a source of ongoing litigation. The issue is of importance to SEMA-member companies that market products to the off-road community based on the consumers’ ability to have access to Forest Service roads and trails. Forest managers will now begin applying the rule’s guidelines as they gradually update management rules for each individual forest and grassland.
Bonneville Salt FlatsThe U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) approved a final Environmental Assessment (EA) for replenishing salt to the Bonneville Salt Flats (BSF). The BLM adopted the approach recommended by SEMA and other organizations that are members of the Save the Salt Coalition. The EA requires a permanent replenishment program that guarantees the same quantity and quality of salt is returned to the BSF as is removed under an existing potash mining lease agreement. The mining company has already exceeded the EA requirements, pumping nearly 1 million tons of salt onto the BSF over the past two years without removing any salt from the same area. SEMA and the coalition are now pursuing a public fundraising campaign to go beyond simple replenishment so that the BSF can be restored with millions of tons of additional salt necessary to achieve the goal. All contributions will be used to purchase salt and the equipment necessary to pump, transport and lay down the salt.
Save Johnson ValleySEMA has recommended that the U.S. Marines Corps secure special-use permits from the BLM when conducting troop maneuvers within Johnson Valley, California, rather than take ownership of the land as part of an expanded Twentynine Palms base. The BLM land is a designated off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation area and site of “King of the Hammers” and other OHV events throughout the year. The Marines need access to Johnson Valley for less than two months a year but are seeking ownership rights from the BLM for 56% of the land (147,000 acres). The Marines have proposed providing limited access to only 40,000 acres of that land for OHV activities during 10 months of the year. Any land transfer requires Congressional approval. Congress is considering legislation that will require the Marines to study alternative ways to share the land with the OHV community, potentially to include special permits. The Johnson Valley off-road area draws at least 200,000 visitors annually and may generate as much as $191 million annually into the economy.08 Z71 Avalanche Mods to date: K&N CAI,Hellwig Swaybars and End Links, Corsa Sport Exhaust, Superchips Programer,IPCW LOF & 3rd brake light and tails, AMI Gas door,Show Hooks and Door locks, Enkei Wheels, with Pirelli tires, StreetScene Bowties, Grant Steering wheel,Muth signal mirrors,SSBC Big Brake kit,Huskyliner Mug gards,Floor mats and Hood shield, McGard Lug nuts and locks, Bedrug, Cervini's Ram Air hood,35watt HID Fog lights, Sylvania bulbs all around ZXE's Highs and Lows, WhiteNight Back up lights,Sirius and HD Radio, SnugTop sitting on deck now Got a Softopper on now,Tempress Boat Hatches.... New Bilstein shocks are on... New Mods coming soon..... X
01-13-2013, 07:01 PM #8
Out here in Oregon we have issues with the "Protected Wetlands" issues as well. I work with a fellow whose father was told that he couldn't grow crops on one of his own pieces of farm land because it was determined that wetlands species of grasses and reeds were growing on it. If he tried to plow up the land they would have him arrested for destroying wetlands.
It has gotten totally out of control.csltrains96
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01-31-2013, 02:33 AM #9
Land use laws have been around for the entire history of this country. Yes, you can be told what to do on your own land if there is a dominant public interest like wetland preservation. Without going into the history or philosophy behind wetland regulations, suffice it to say that this is not the only area of regulation that can impact your use of your own property.
To get back to the topic, around here people offroad on mainly privately held land, not public land. Some of it constitutes trespassing, as there are plenty of off road trails on remote property held by public utilities and timber companies. Sometimes people are caught and prosecuted.
Back in the 1960's and 1970's (I graduated from high school in 1974) you saw people driving off road on lots of privately owned property that was so vast and undeveloped that the owner just did not care because they had no plans to develop the property. It has not been so much the government that has reduced off road vehicle areas in my opinion, it is the enforcement of trespassing laws by private property owners and the continued creep of urban development into areas previously considered "remote".
Yes, wetlands use regulations sometimes are a bugger for the private property owner, but mostly due to restrictions that impact use of portions of land that the developer wants to build homes or buildings. On the other hand, preservation of wetlands, even on residential property, does have a very practical and beneficial purpose for the community as a whole and for mankind. It just depends on your ego. If your ego is so big that you feel you are the center of the universe and you want things to go your way all the time, then you don't like this type of law. If you are a team player and you look at the big picture, you may not like these laws, but you go along with them and maybe just cuss to your neighbors or family about it. Or you do something useful with your anger and spend time at the county or city council meetings and get up to the microphone and state your case.1994 Chevy K2500 Silverado, 454 (modified), original owner.
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01-11-2013, 01:27 AM #10
If my properly is wetlands and I feel like driving my truck on my wetland property I should darn well be able to do so. Can you show me (complete with statute citation) a law that would prevent this? I can understand public land ... but private land is just that ... private.
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