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    Default More propaganda. Even if you call 911 no one isobligated to respond to your call?

    I don't know where this country is headed, but we sound more and more like Iraq and China every day.


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    Please make sure you exclude me from your use of 'we' in that comment. -I- am nothing like Iraq or China.

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    Exactly the 2A supporter's point. If the Supreme Court has declared that the police are not obligated to protect you, then why take away the people's right to bear arms?

    I'll tell you why, it's to control the populace as to make them 100% dependent on the government, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stchman View Post
    Exactly the 2A supporter's point. If the Supreme Court has declared that the police are not obligated to protect you, then why take away the people's right to bear arms?

    I'll tell you why, it's to control the populace as to make them 100% dependent on the government, that's why.
    Nothing's been taken, yet. And, frankly, tighter, more thorough background checks ARE a good thing so long as the criteria do not prevent sane, law abiding citizens from exercising their 2nd Amendment right to purchase a firearm of their choosing for defensive purposes -- be it defense against intruders, invaders, or a government military that is turned on its own populace.

    And therein lies the key to why AR-15's, so-called "assault weapons", etc. should continue to be produced and sold. The colonies had been denied the right to legally possess arms by their British masters in the hope of staving off armed revolution -- and our founding fathers codified the second amendment to make sure it would never happen, again. At the time the militia had the same small arms (muskets and in very wealthy cases even cannon) available to them as the British army. So, too, it should remain, today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurrealOne View Post
    Nothing's been taken, yet. And, frankly, tighter, more thorough background checks ARE a good thing so long as the criteria do not prevent sane, law abiding citizens from exercising their 2nd Amendment right to purchase a firearm of their choosing for defensive purposes -- be it defense against intruders, invaders, or a government military that is turned on its own populace.

    And therein lies the key to why AR-15's, so-called "assault weapons", etc. should continue to be produced and sold. The colonies had been denied the right to legally possess arms by their British masters in the hope of staving off armed revolution -- and our founding fathers codified the second amendment to make sure it would never happen, again. At the time the militia had the same small arms (muskets and in very wealthy cases even cannon) available to them as the British army. So, too, it should remain, today.
    IMO, more thorough background checks will do almost nothing to prevent crime where a firearm is used. Heck NICS checks are pretty much a dog and pony show feel good act for the antis.

    I still cannot believe that convicted felons go down to Cabela's, Bass Pro, etc. to buy a firearm to commit a crime?

    I remember reading that Jared Loughner PASSED the NICS check while I used to get a delay because someone with a similar name had a restraining order against them. The NICS stuff is so absurd it's a joke.

    What should be done IMO is that for a small fee ($5 annually) you apply for a permit to buy firearms. This would involve a more than cursory check. Then the person can use their permit to buy as many firearms as he/she wishes (no registration). When you buy your firearm, you simply present your permit to buy (photo ID) and then pay your money. I don't like it, but it is WAYY BETTER than NICS. Imagine no more lines. If a person was deemed mentally ill or convicted of a felony, their permit card would be revoked. Also face to face transactions would still be no NICS needed.

    I am a CCW holder, why can't all 50 states and the feds say if you have a CCW, then you don't need NICS?

    I would prefer it be like the old days when I was a kid I bought my first rifle from Service Merchandise and went home, no stupid background checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stchman View Post
    IMO, more thorough background checks will do almost nothing to prevent crime where a firearm is used. Heck NICS checks are pretty much a dog and pony show feel good act for the antis.
    NICS being a dog & pony show is part of the problem. Improved background checks will definitely help in cases like the Aurora shooting if they are able to encompass psychological/psychiatric/mental defective type issues. Consider the Aurora shooting ... where the shooter legally purchased a firearm but recently had psych issues.

    That's a perfect example of how improved background checks could help. But there's a catch -- people (democrats, republicans, and pretty much everyone) have to agree to allow background checks to delve into medical histories -- something your 4th Amendment right currently protects against. (Right now HIPPA legislation pretty much requires a warrant for any kind of medical disclosure -- including psych issues -- unless there's adequate probable cause.)

    While progressives are quick to try to obliterate rights they do not exercise, they tend to be very stodgy about giving up rights they care about ... and their own privacy is one such thing. So, I think meaningful background check improvements (in terms of what is checked ... and what's available to be checked) are a lost cause. However, the idea/thinking is correct, as checking against psych issues is really the only way to keep people who are messed up in the head from buying firearms from FFL holders.

    The other improvement that needs to be made (and can/should be made) is coverage of background checks. The gun show loophole is real in some states -- and should be closed. NC, where I live, is not a state that needs it because this state requires a 'permit to purchase' a firearm ... even at gun shows and for private transactions, per state law ... and such a permit is issued from a Sheriff's office only after a $5.00 (i.e. very modest) fee is paid to help cover the cost of a background check. Valid CCW holders have this requirement waived, here, as the background check done on them for the CCW is considered a compensating control ... so they can buy without the hassle of a "permit to purchase". (Also note that per the 10th Amendment, NC is well within its rights, as a sovereign state, to implement such a measure.)

    If instacheck were required at gun shows and for all private transactions then the "permit to purchase" hassles, here, would be done away with for those without CCW's ... and the gun show loophole would close ... in addition to the private transaction loophole AND the auction loophole (a la estate auctions, and the like).

    You may consider background checks stupid. Heck, I do, too. But in today's world where family values have largely broken down, where people depend on the state for aid rather than their own families or their churches, and where gangs and drugs are rampant compared to the 40's and 50's ... we must acknowledge that it's a different world -- one where respect for others and/or their property just isn't what it once was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stchman View Post
    I am a CCW holder, why can't all 50 states and the feds say if you have a CCW, then you don't need NICS?
    That's how it works in MT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurrealOne View Post
    Please make sure you exclude me from your use of 'we' in that comment. -I- am nothing like Iraq or China.
    "We" was not in reference to the general public or citizens of the US, it was in reference to the people running this fine country.


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    I work for the police department and am an auxiliary officer. I agree with most of what is said. To begin, parents need to take more responsibility for their children. Not a day goes by that we don't get sent out to handle someone's unruly 7-10 year old because kids are raising kids nowadays and they don't know how to handle them.

    Our department is great about trying to get people the help they need but there are limitations in the laws that allow people to fall through the cracks. We (as officers) are also firm believers in home discipline and handling things without calling the law in the first place. People's lack of understanding what law enforcement is there for is another issue. They aren't there to wipe people's schitty azzes because they can't figure out their own problems. They are there to handle real issues.
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