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    Looking for used ones...come out to Moab, UT. People here buy them, try them on the slick rock ledges, and trade them in, or they end up modifying with a lift, larger tires and let's not forget some strong undercarriage protection. They are nice vehicles, just not the off-road beast ford advertises; at least here where off-road really means off the road.

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    The F150 SVT Raptor is a 47K truck in CC before options. By the time you add options, you are looking at ~$54K. You can get a lot of off road options by building a Silverado 4WD with a 6.2L with off road stuff.

    Who here wants to drop $50K+ on a truck and take it out for some good off road beating?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stchman View Post
    The F150 SVT Raptor is a 47K truck in CC before options. By the time you add options, you are looking at ~$54K. You can get a lot of off road options by building a Silverado 4WD with a 6.2L with off road stuff.

    Who here wants to drop $50K+ on a truck and take it out for some good off road beating?
    But by the time you buy a new Silverado with a 6.2, crew cab and optioned out like the Raptor is, plus suspension, tires, regear (Raptor has 4.10's), true rear locker and keeping your factory warranty you are way over the $54k price tag. Not saying that you couldn't make a Silverado just as badass or just as capable, just saying it would take a lot more time and money. I don't know, I feel that the Raptor is just a more obvious choice. Maybe I'm missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbrown88 View Post
    But by the time you buy a new Silverado with a 6.2, crew cab and optioned out like the Raptor is, plus suspension, tires, regear (Raptor has 4.10's), true rear locker and keeping your factory warranty you are way over the $54k price tag. Not saying that you couldn't make a Silverado just as badass or just as capable, just saying it would take a lot more time and money. I don't know, I feel that the Raptor is just a more obvious choice. Maybe I'm missing something?
    You're not missing anything. @aloxdaddy99 said it very well when he said:
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    The Raptor has a niche for people that may not have the time or imagination to do it on their own.
    Do I think that GM needs to produce a similar vehicle for people who lack time and/or imagination? Nope. And since the taxpayers helped bail out GM, I'm glad we didn't spend taxpayer money on a supposed Raptor fighter. Let Ford have those with no time or imagination, I say!

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    Hit the nail on the head and took the words right out of my mouth. I read a post that said the Raptor sells great? Ford is losing money on that truck, turns out most folks don't want to spend dam near 50 to 60K on a one trick pony pickup. I've seen more youtube clips of people destroying them thinking they can be run like a sand rig. The idea was cool but Ford just figured they could make a mid level off road truck, put some bells and whistles in it that look like what most guys were doing to their custom rigs; advertise the Hp, wheel travel and big rubber. Then the serious enthusiasts where just going to drop their wrenches and pony up almost 60K on a new truck for what most were doing with 45K. You got the well off, mechanically un inclined to bite. Tod and Muffy could go to the dealer and feel real butch until they figure out the mileage sucks and they don't hit the trails as often as they thought they would. That and their BMW SUV handled better and were almost as fast. The other half is the well off motor sports enthusiasts who owns a trail rig and want a daily driver that, sort of emulates what their trail rig or sand rail can do. These two demographics sell okay till the novelty wears off. Lesson learned by Ford loyalists with the Lightning, cool truck till you had to replace tires or do normal wear and tear maintenance. Especially when the stupid expensive replacement parts start coming into the mix during services. I'd like the slight upgrade to the Z71, like the Sierra off road edition. A ride height of the 2500 may be with a 6.2 with standard twice pipes would be cool too. As for the rest, I could for go the heavy window sticker and do the rest myself. Keeping the truck more affordable to the bulk of buyers and getting a few additional tweaks of utility.
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    it's interesting how many people easily say they would buy something if GM made it. Let's see...6,200 pounds, $53,000, and 11 MPG in town. That doesn't sound like something that is going to fly out the door. For the person who said they are selling well in NE...Ford's published sales figures do not bear that out. It may look like they are selling well becuase you "see a lot of them", but it seems like you see a lot of them becuase they are very easy to spot. The Raptor is not really a money-maker for Ford, it is an image builder, and it was done well.

    I'm with the crowd that says, "Turn your current truck into your vision of the Raptor".

    JMO, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckmeister2 View Post
    it's interesting how many people easily say they would buy something if GM made it. Let's see...6,200 pounds, $53,000, and 11 MPG in town. That doesn't sound like something that is going to fly out the door. For the person who said they are selling well in NE...Ford's published sales figures do not bear that out. It may look like they are selling well becuase you "see a lot of them", but it seems like you see a lot of them becuase they are very easy to spot. The Raptor is not really a money-maker for Ford, it is an image builder, and it was done well.

    I'm with the crowd that says, "Turn your current truck into your vision of the Raptor".

    JMO, though.
    The price is the only downfall, my last Silvy was a 2009 2500hd weighing in at 6600lbs and got 9-10mpg around town, so a "Raptor fighter" would be an upgrade on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckmeister2 View Post
    it's interesting how many people easily say they would buy something if GM made it. Let's see...6,200 pounds, $53,000, and 11 MPG in town. That doesn't sound like something that is going to fly out the door. For the person who said they are selling well in NE...Ford's published sales figures do not bear that out. It may look like they are selling well becuase you "see a lot of them", but it seems like you see a lot of them becuase they are very easy to spot. The Raptor is not really a money-maker for Ford, it is an image builder, and it was done well.

    I'm with the crowd that says, "Turn your current truck into your vision of the Raptor".

    JMO, though.
    I live here in St. Louis and I can't recall ever seeing a Raptor. I see lots of King Ranch, Platinum, and Limited F150s, but no Raptors, so you can't say that people here don't have the money when a Limited starts at $53K for a 4WD version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stchman View Post
    I live here in St. Louis and I can't recall ever seeing a Raptor. I see lots of King Ranch, Platinum, and Limited F150s, but no Raptors, so you can't say that people here don't have the money when a Limited starts at $53K for a 4WD version.
    If you're ever in the Detroit area you will see a Raptor every half a mile.
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