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01-06-2010, 10:06 AM #1
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4x4 use question
I'm confused I had a ford 4x4 Explorer a 1999 Dodge 1500 4x4 pockup and now a 2002 Silverado 2500 HD 6.0 410 rearend.
I had the front diff. bearing seize up last winter cost me 1700.00 to get it fixed. When I went to it pick it up I asked the owner of the trans shop why did it sieze up he said it was from over driving it in 4 hi. I told him I only used 4hi when the roads are snow covered and slick I only work 5 miles from home and maybe trips to grocery store. he said I should not use 4hi on the road for more than a few miles at a time because it heats up to much. That don't seem right I always used 4hi in my Explorer and Dodge for long periods and never had a proplem.
So is he full of crap? Can I use 4hi when the are bad and not worry about it or should I forget I have a 4x4 and just stay in 2 wheel?Mike :glasses:
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01-06-2010, 10:12 AM #2
He is full of crap and I would never let him work on anything I owned> <G>
If you lived on the North Pole you could drive your truck in 4 High for the life of the truck with no ill effects. The transfer case would not wear out any faster.Jim
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01-08-2010, 08:46 AM #3
at work we tell all the drivers to use 2wd until they become stuck and then engage 4wd because this gives you two options to get out of trouble, or if you know that you are going to be going through a mud hole then engage 4wd and get a good run at it.
most of the trucks at work have selectiable locking diffs and axle interlocks, it takes time to know how to use it correctly.
I know myself I drive in 2wd all the time unless I know that its deep snow, or if i'm going to be getting into trouble.06 Z71 Silverado Military Style!!!
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01-08-2010, 09:32 AM #4
He has an overabundance of bullpucky.
You can rip around in 4Low all you want and you'll blow the engine or trans before you hurt the front diff.
There's a few thing that may have caused it:
> Lack of maintenance. Even a newer truck, like your '02, the front diff rarely (if ever?) gets checked. I had a '79 F150 once. My transfer case got stuck in 4Hi. I could not get it out, no matter what trick I tried, even the hubs were bound tight. So I drove down the ditch for about 20 miles to get to a place where I could stop and pull my front diff cover. There was no gear oil in the diff...it had congealed to near-grease viscosity. The gunk rolled and dribbled out, and the axle unbound. I unlocked my hubs, disengaged the 'case and ran for a friend's place where we flushed the diff and refilled it with new fluid. No more problems.
At the time, my truck was only about ten years old. The diff fluid had never been changed.
> Running on dry hard surface. If the road surface is too dry to let the wheels slip to avoid driveline bind, and you do not have a differential in your t'case (I have no idea if that truck does or not...usually they are only in full-time 4wd trucks and awd cars) it can bind your gears as each tire is not exactly the same overall diameter. (even the same size and brand tires with exactly the same air pressure will not be the exact same rolling circumference...manufacturing tolerance and weight distribution of the rig affect that.)
>Bad diff. Stuff wears out and if the bearings were not installed right, or had some grit or someones lunch in them from the factory...there ya go.
>Lack of lube. Similar to the first reason, but if you do not use 4wd for extended periods, there is a possibility of the bearings going dry from not being used. Then the front axle gets engaged and roars off at highway speeds, the dry bearings start getting lube flung on them, but being dry, they overheat before they can get fully lubed. I usually engage 4x4 about once a month and drive around...hubs locked, t' case in 2H, then Tcase in 4H and the hubs unlocked. Or (and on auto hub rigs), go find some dirt and play...you can use regular maintenance as an excuse!Rob
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01-08-2010, 11:15 AM #5
I say full of crap. Except in maybe the dodge as chrysler trucks suvs have higher running temps in the their trannies, tcase and diffs.99 K1500 Suburban LT "THE BEAST"
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01-08-2010, 08:37 PM #6
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By "Front Diff Bearing" are you talking about the carrier bearing, pinion bearing, axle bearing, or wheel bearing?
01-09-2010, 08:00 AM #7
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I dont think your mechanic would like me than.
When we off-road down near the border we'll run the truck for hundreds of miles in 4hi and 4lo across paved and hard pack roads.
I think your mechanic was saying the first thing he could think of.
Depending on the model/manufacture some of these trucks have the front diff/carrier assembly spinning at all times the trucks moving.
It would have been better to tell you sometimes bearings wear out prematurely, there is not definate answer why, maybe it had a lubrication issue, maybe it had a quality issue.
01-09-2010, 10:02 AM #8
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I,m no expert but i have forgotton mine in 4x4 on hard gravel road and even on pavement for a few miles. I sometimes drive in 4hi for 10 miles or so when i have not used it for a while just to keep everything free.
My 04 nor my 93 hace ever had any failures due to this driving although i would not use 4hi on paved surfaces intentionally.
Snowy roads should not affect it at all, unless you are doing a lot of sharp turning, may put undue stress on things.
If you have 4x4 auto, i'd sujest using that.2004 Chevy Silverado Z71, 5.3L auto
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01-09-2010, 10:43 AM #9
01-10-2010, 11:17 AM #10
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If there is a bit of moisture in the diff, the heat can and will evaporate the moisture out the vent but if it never gets hot enough from no use it won't evap.
I have used this technique in ATV engines and diffs that don't get run much in winter so they collect some condensation from warm cold operation.
Getting the engine hot and giving the diffs a good run gets them warm enough to clean up the moisture.
Changing fluids will get rid of excessive water contamination but there will always be some left behind, hence evaporation is a good was preventitive maintenence, provided the regular maintence and inspections are kept up properly.
I should have explained better, sorry.
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