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    Default Is Stock Navigation As Bad as it seems? [Expired Topic]

    Please excuse me for the rude introduction but I just bought (3 weeks back) my new 2005 Suburban. I really like most everything about the car _except_ I have a number of issues with the stock Nav system. If anyone has any experience or a solution, I would love to hear it.

    1) The car was delivered with an old (3 version old) Nav disc and my dealer and GM said "live with it or buy a new one for $377". That bites!

    2) My car also has rear seat entertainment. When playing RSE with the front speakers on mute (a touch-screen option) I happily don't hear the kids programming in the driver's seat.....until I switch back to Nav mode which un-mutes the front speakers. The system can't hold mute while flipping to Nav.

    3) The mere fact that the Nav software DVD needs to be in the slot to use the nav system is ludicrous. I can't listen to a CD and Navigate simultaneously!?!?! Since I bought a nav system I wanted to use it and I didn't realize (my fault) that I couldn't use it if I wanted to listen to a CD ... sucks.

    4) The blue background when on radio or RSE mode is too bright for night driving. Is there a way to change it?

    Anyone have any ideas?

    Much appreciated,
    Joe.

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    1) They probably have a CD that was licensed to the VIN number. It all depends on how long ago that vehicle was "born" and left the plant. With the sluggish full-sized SUV sales that could have been a while ago. HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that perpetual upgrades would be available. Check the chevy website or call GM, they might help you out. The disc probably costs the dealership $$, but you might be able to get a comp.

    2) Sounds like a usability design-flaw ... bad programming. This may be updatable with firmware, but probably not.

    3) I had no idea that would be a requirement. The little pocket-nav systems don't require a CD, they either load via GSM/EVDO cellular data connection or they just have little hard drives on them. Any stock NAV system I would think to have a hard drive or 1GB flash memory at least.

    4) Most all backlit displays have a way to dim. Nothing in the users guide?

    Steve
    10 Chevy Traverse LT AWD
    02 Chevy Trailblazer LS (110K+ miles - loaded except for 4WD - WRECKED!)
    99 Chevy Cavalier LS (105K+ miles - commuter car)
    78 Chevy Suburban Silverado (454, 3/4 ton)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    HOWEVER, that being said, I would think that perpetual upgrades would be available. Check the chevy website or call GM, they might help you out. The disc probably costs the dealership $$, but you might be able to get a comp.
    On the 2006 models they will comp you 2 updates (a new policy). On '05 their opinion is "buzz off". The alternative is to buy a disc off ebay where the price is < $200. My beef is that this is a $53K truck with a $2K Nav system that I drove off the lot in 2006 with 2004 nav data. New roads and points of interest don't appear on it! That is bad ;) I wrote a letter to anyone at GM who would listen because the dealer _AND_ GM Customer service both turned down a complimentary upgrade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    2) Sounds like a usability design-flaw ... bad programming. This may be updatable with firmware, but probably not.
    Oh, it is a bug alright. I hope that in a trip to the dealer they could reflash the unit to update the firmware.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    3) I had no idea that would be a requirement. The little pocket-nav systems don't require a CD, they either load via GSM/EVDO cellular data connection or they just have little hard drives on them. Any stock NAV system I would think to have a hard drive or 1GB flash memory at least.
    This puppy may have internal storage but it needs to Map disc inserted to do anything. Whether that is just to force you to buy upgrades instead of just installing the upgrade and sharing it with your friends is a good question but it is limiting.
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve
    4) Most all backlit displays have a way to dim. Nothing in the users guide?
    Nothing but I will have to dig around in the menus on-screen to see if I could set the colors. It is less the dimming and more the powder-blue color that is annoying.

    Thanks for replying,
    Joe.

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    Not being able to navigate and listen to a CD would be a deal breaker for me, especially when you can get an aftermarket unit for 1/2 the price that runs by itself. Honestly, it's a built-in piece of hardware that you purchased, not an easily copyiable piece of software.

    Steve
    10 Chevy Traverse LT AWD
    02 Chevy Trailblazer LS (110K+ miles - loaded except for 4WD - WRECKED!)
    99 Chevy Cavalier LS (105K+ miles - commuter car)
    78 Chevy Suburban Silverado (454, 3/4 ton)
    62 GMC 3/4 ton Pickup (350 police interceptor)

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    Steve,

    Scarily, I bought the deal-breaker. My bad for not researching it better. The only downside with the standalone units (which I almost bought prior to the new car) is:

    1) Wires and suction cup mounts
    2) A theft magnet just dangling there on your windshield
    3) Many of them have a weak speaker for the voice guidance

    The problem with the GM factory unit is:

    1) Needs a DVD in place all of the time making the CD playback useless
    2) My Suburban could not be purchased with Nav and a 6 disc changer (it was either/or)

    In GMs weak defense they somehow think sticking a CD in place of a DVD in the rear seat video playback is a reasonable alternative to using the CD slot in the Nav system. The problem is that when driving a car it is unrealistic to reach back to the rear-seat device hanging off the ceiling to change disks and change tracks!

    The whole thing is dissapointing at best. I feel like I should have banked the $2K and told my wife to use the OnStar if she gets lost

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    GM has had a lot of problems with this Navigation. Units. I have to say they are the worst of all the units sold on any vehicle available. They are made by Delphi, which has them made in Tywan or Korea or some off shore dump.

    I think it is more an engineering problem with the unit than anything else is is. There is no reason the flash memory canít be large enough to handle the maps in it without the use of cds. Everyone elseís does.

    I do know there was a recall on the older units for a lot of different things, but you still have to use the discs to navigate. I really donít like the way the engineers designed this system, No foresight on the real world use of these units.

    It should have been made to be upgradeable other than with new discs. On the flip side there are a couple of aftermarket units available that will fit right in the space that this one fits. They are expensive and you do loose some of the options but if the navigation unit is an important item to you I would look into it.

    Sorry dude I really canít say much good to help you with this peace of overpriced crap GM decided to put in. They are not a good unit, especially at the cost of the unit.

    Technology is great, when it Works,
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    84 Fiero,

    In about 2 days I realized that I was screwed with this POS nav unit. Thanks for seconding that ;) My FIL has a Subaru Nav, my friend has a BMW nav, my other friend has a Toyota and a work friend has a stand-alone. They are all better. I wasted 2K but at least my wife could get home when she makes a wrong turn coming home from the mall ;)

    J.

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    Replace the factory unit with a Bose stero system and buy the aftermarket unit that you like best. Sorry to see that you found out to late about this unit.

    Technology is great, when it Works,
    And one Big Pain in the Ass When it Doesnít.
    Detroit Iron Rules, All the Rest are Just Toys.
    94 GMC Burban, 5.7L (350), 4X4, Auto
    86 GMC Burban, 350, 2 WD, Auto
    79 GMC pickup plow truck, 400, Full time 4X4, Auto
    86 Pontiac Fiero SE, 2.8L, Auto, only mid engine American car
    See a Pattern yet?

    15 year GM assembly line worker.

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    wow, nothing like a little brutal honesty to brighten your day.

    Hey, can someone post a photo of the navigation system in their album in the photo gallery? I'd like to see what the stock one looks like.

    Steve
    10 Chevy Traverse LT AWD
    02 Chevy Trailblazer LS (110K+ miles - loaded except for 4WD - WRECKED!)
    99 Chevy Cavalier LS (105K+ miles - commuter car)
    78 Chevy Suburban Silverado (454, 3/4 ton)
    62 GMC 3/4 ton Pickup (350 police interceptor)

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    Steve,

    When the snow clears up here in NY I will post a photo. From a picture point of view it looks pretty nice actually. It is really 3 things that make it dissapointing;

    1) Map updates are expensive (most of the standalone units include lifetime map updates)
    2) The fact that it requires a DVD to be in place at all times thus making CD playback impossible is baffling
    3) It has a lot of little feature bugs (like losing mute) that need to be updated.

    It is a functional Nav unit and for the most part will get you where you are going but it is like a 2000/2001 vintage product. Most other manufaturers have made a lot of improvements (like my FILs Subaru which allows you to control the rear seat video from the nav screen, displays the rear video on the Nav when the car is in park and the latest update allows you to talk to the unit so that you never need to take your hands off the wheel).

    GM has a number of problems with "keeping current" IMOHO and that is why they are losing market share. Their products don't suck, their union wages aren't the problem....their problem is not understanding the customer demand, not keeping pace with their competitors and trying to lean too much on alternate income streams (subscriptions to OnStar, XM, nav update discs, etc). When I but a car, I want a car. Chrysler sold me a car, Jeep sold me a car, Toyota sold me a car and Chevy sold me a bunch of subscriptions services ;)

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