Joe's Cell

**TrailLeadr** · 03-09-2007, 01:10 AM

SO, I'm hunting around the DIY sites tonight, and I come across the most backward ass thing I've ever heard of. Not only does it sound unreasonable, it's name doesn't really sell the idea too much either.

Has anyone here heard of the "Joe's Cell"
Apparently this is an alternative fuel cell, which has the ability to power your "unaltered" engine that is in your vehicle. By unaltered, I mean no special modifications outside of removing your fuel lines, and adjusting the timing.
The content of this cell is basically a series of stainless steel tubes, of the 316L variety. So they are extremely low ferrite content which makes them not very magnetic. The tubes are approx 10inches long, and 1-2-3-4-5 in diameter. Each fitting within the next size up, so that when viewed from above, it resembles a bulleseye. Once the tubes are assembled, and sealed, they are filled with water, and a voltage is applied. This seems to charge the water, and at some point afterwards the water continues to hold that charge.
Sounds like a battery right?

Here's where it get's weird/strange/unbelievable/ludicrous (you pick).
Once the cell has gone through the "Three stages" it becomes able to power your vehicle without the use of any fossil fuel.

Yeah, I know you're thinking electrolysis. No not the kind that takes care of granny's upper lip hair. While it may make sense that you'd be feeding the hydrogen, and oxygen in the carb/throttle body of your engine to fuel it, the creators, as well as the yahoo group of enthusiasts, claim that you simply bolt it's main connection to the manifold, and nothing else. Nothing is fed into the carb/tb other than the air that circulates around it. The cell feeds nothing into the manifold. In fact they recommend that you attach the main line from the cell to a bolt on the manifold. The only thing this cell feeds into your engine is a frequency of Orgone.(some kind of unseen energy) Whatever the hell that is.

What seems typical is that the most crucial element is also the most difficult to either produce or find. The water that has to go into the cell has to be of a certain ph, and has to be biologically clean, as well as chemically clean.
Many of the users claim to use rain from thunderstorms since it is ionized, but then it's not really biologically clean, and probably not chemically clean. So they jump through hoops and do all kinds of crazy stuff to the water to make it perfect for the cell.

What's suggested is almost too crazy to mention, but I'm going to anyway.
They suggest that this will allow your vehicle to:

have more power
Run cooler
No emissions
No fuel consumption

OK, so it's magic that propels my engine's pistons and creates energy then.

At first I thought, "yeah, here's the crackpot's trying to sell me some book on something that I'd have to be half brain dead, and the other half rotting to buy."
But then the more I looked into this, the more I'm seeing that there are people out there who actually believe this works. Even still there are people who claim to have actually made it work!!!

Ok, what the hell... I suppose that I can give this a shot. I have faith, and a workshop. I can fab one up, and see what happens. I hope this doesn't turn into a cult where I have to drink the cool-aid.

In the mean time, I go back to my original question. Has anyone here heard of this before? It seems to have big favor in England and some of it's European neighbors, and especially Australia where it's creator, Joe is from.

**retired2001** · 03-09-2007, 01:19 AM

I've never heard of it. I guess that is why I didn't become an engineer, I can't imagine that this would work. Please keep us updated on your progress.

**TrailLeadr** · 03-09-2007, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by retired2001

I've never heard of it. I guess that is why I didn't become an engineer, I can't imagine that this would work. Please keep us updated on your progress.

Believe me if this magic little cell actually works, the GMTruckClub will be the first place to know about it. But I honestly have my doubts. I figure $100 is worth spending to see if it works. I'd spend that much, and more on a CAI for my burb so what the heck.

Here's some links if anyone is interested:
http://www.joecell.com.au/index.html
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Bill_Williams'_Joe_Cell

This is what got me the yahoo group for this thing has over 2600 members who are doing this. Well maybe not all of them, but certainly quite a few I'm sure.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/JoesCell2/

**Cableguy** · 03-09-2007, 12:43 PM

Oh Patrick just when I thought your theropy was working...you go and put the lab coat back on...lmao.
Sounds interesting which engine would you try it on?

P.S. are you using solvents on the big block again, watch the ventilation...kidding.

**TrailLeadr** · 03-09-2007, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cableguy

P.S. are you using solvents on the big block again, watch the ventilation...kidding.

Oh! Now I see where it says use with proper ventilation. Oops!

Did you get a chance to read any of that info on those sites?
Seems absurd that it can work, but if other people are getting it done (god knows how?!) I may as well give it a shot.
At worst I blow about $100, and listen to the wife complain, at best it works, and I'll provide plans on this site on how to build it.

But don't hold your breath. I have my suspicions that I'm going to be hearing more noise from my wife, than my engine about this one.
I don't gamble often, so I figure I can take this on without too much remorse if it doesn't work.

The claim is that it works better with carb engines, and since I don't have any except for the lawn mower, I figure I'll just try it on the mower first.

**Cableguy** · 03-09-2007, 03:30 PM

ya I read thru it and seem logical, but I would have my reservations too.
Keep us posted on how it works (or if living in the shop/couch is ok)LOL
Your never gonna here the end of it from wife, anyway.

**Davandy** · 03-09-2007, 05:05 PM

If this thing works we all can keep on driving with our V8, and you never have to work again in your live.

**TrailLeadr** · 03-09-2007, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Davandy

If this thing works we all can keep on driving with our V8, and you never have to work again in your live.

almost seems to make that claim, doesn't it. Also it will make all of the ugly people beautiful.

**TrailLeadr** · 03-11-2007, 11:10 PM

So I'm here to tell you, that I've spent a lot of time reading through the posts which are organized something akin to a teenager's bedroom. What a mess.
I finally stumbled upon some very important posts, where the question was finally asked. "Does anyone have a working Joe's cell that can be validated."
No one came forth with any definitive proof of one working. (Big surprise)
The responses that came back to that question were of a derogatory nature, and extremely condescending. Usually to the point of "If someone has one that works they don't need to validate it."

Call me crazy but if I had one, you wouldn't need to ask me to validate it, I'd show that sucker off for free. There seems to be a common thread, and it's a deep scary cult like hint of religion.
I mentioned the kool-aid, didn't I??? huh huh?
These people are nuts, and they're just looking for attention.

So, without further delay, you have my official opinion that the Joe's cell is "Bunk" Don't bother.

On the other side of things, I did get a good lead on a "Hydrogen Booster" Which is the same principal, only they keep the voltage applied, and use the hydrogen, and oxygen created from the electrolysis to supplement your gas. This seems to have much more merit in feasibility. It doesn't free you from visiting the pumps, but it does help your mileage. (at least in theory.)
It would be like having a trickle of nitrous fed to your engine constantly.

Care to have a look?
http://waterpoweredcar.com/hydrobooster.html

**Cableguy** · 03-12-2007, 08:02 AM

Yes exactly if you had an experiment and it worked shy of the whole patent thing. You'd be pretty damn proud...wouldn't you? I think you'd want to show it off. Let other people have a go.
BTW guys like us could not afford to do the whole patent thing anyway, we be strong armed in court for years...

Anyway i'm starting to feel your Skepticism...