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    Default More lead paint from China

    I am ENRAGED that this is happening. These factories should be firebombed and the executives of these companies should be beaten publicly, tarred and featered and then do SERIOUS jail time, like the rest of their lives, for allowing this to happen.

    Did I mention that I'm ticked?


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    Mattel's Fisher-Price Recalls 1.5M Chinese-Made Toys Over Lead Paint

    WASHINGTON — Mattel Inc. (MAT) is recalling 1.5 million Chinese-made toys worldwide because their paint may contain too much lead — the latest in a deluge of product safety scares that have tainted the "made in China" brand.

    The recalled toys made for Mattel's Fisher-Price unit include popular preschool characters like Elmo and Big Bird along with dozens of other items.

    They were made by a contract manufacturer in China using a non-approved paint pigment containing lead, Mattel said on Wednesday.
    Lead paint has been linked to health problems in children, including brain damage.

    Mattel is asking U.S. consumers and sellers to return 967,000 plastic toys and is recalling another 533,000 from other countries, including Britain, Canada and Mexico.

    Mattel's senior vice president of worldwide quality assurance, Jim Walter, said the recall could hit all its markets and traced the problem to a single manufacturer.

    "The disappointment here was we had a single contract manufacturer that we had a long-standing relationship with, who did not do what is required by Mattel," Walter said.

    The recall comes amid heightened concern worldwide about the safety of China's exports. Many of the previous problem products have involved smaller manufacturers, but now a major company in a sensitive sector has been hit.

    "Nobody wants to face that PR nightmare," said Kent Kedl, the Shanghai head of Technomic Asia, which advises companies sourcing out of China. "But the reality is that things slip through the cracks. And the cracks are a little bit bigger here in China."

    Walter said the toy maker had launched an investigation. Mattel had stopped producing and shipping toys from that manufacturer, but said it would wait for the findings of the investigation to decide whether to keep doing business with it.

    "GOOD AND SAFE"
    China has fought back against consumer concern by promising tough quality controls but also accusing foreign media of "alarmist" reporting that could stoke a protectionist backlash.

    "Over 99 percent of China's export products are good and safe," Commerce Minister Bo Xilai said in Beijing on Wednesday, according to the ministry Web site (www.mofcom.gov.cn).

    "We hope that concerned parties can treat Chinese products objectively, fairly and rationally. Don't let this damage the normal development of trade."

    In the United States, the Fisher-Price toys were sold nationwide at retail stores between May and August, the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission said.

    Mattel said U.S. consumers should contact Fisher-Price to arrange a product return.

    Mattel said it became aware of the problem in early July and was working with retailers to remove the toys from shelves. It also said it was intercepting shipments to avert further sales.

    Of the nearly 1 million products recalled from the U.S. market, Mattel said about 30 percent had reached store shelves.

    It declined to identify the manufacturer. In China, offices of Mattel's suppliers referred inquiries back to its head office.

    President George W. Bush has ordered a review of U.S. rules intended to keep out harmful imports following a series of scares involving Chinese goods this year.

    The United States has stepped up inspections of goods from China after a chemical additive in pet food caused the death of some pets. Toxic ingredients were also found in Chinese fish and toothpaste exports, while the deaths of patients in Panama were blamed on improperly labeled Chinese chemicals mixed into cough syrup.

    Chinese-made toy trains were recalled in the United States in June because some may have contained lead paint.

    Kedl, the consultant, said China was too important as a manufacturing base for foreign companies to abandon, but they were likely to tread more carefully.

    "Multinationals will be more cautious, re-evaluating the cost of doing business in China, but no, they will not quit China."

    Owners of a recalled toy can exchange it for a voucher for another product of the same value. To see pictures of the recalled toys, visit http://www.service.mattel.com. For more information, call Mattel's recall hot line at 800-916-4498.

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    Thanks for the info, I thought I heard something on radio about this. I got my step kids to check their toys, none of these were in there collection. Thank goodness.

    Patrick and I were born in the lead paint era (Toy paints, wall paints, crib paints, Led Zepplin) and look at us, we're ok.....I think....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cableguy View Post
    Thanks for the info, I thought I heard something on radio about this. I got my step kids to check their toys, none of these were in there collection. Thank goodness.

    Patrick and I were born in the lead paint era (Toy paints, wall paints, crib paints, Led Zepplin) and look at us, we're ok.....I think....
    So thatís were my STML came from, all those lead paint chips.

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    Default slightly different view

    Now, don't be too upset with me, I'm still new, here.

    I guess I have a slightly different view on the matter.

    YES, I completely agree that if the government sets limits on the amount of lead in paint, that ever manufacturer should be STRICTLY penalized for violating that limit.

    But, let's be a little more conscious about what affect this has on us: As a little kid, I ate paint chips off the walls (which I'm sure had lead in them), I drank toilet bowl cleaner, Windex glass cleaner, model train track cleaner and even fabric softener. Heck, at my grandpa's farm, I would even drink the water out of the ditch if I was thirsty - and who knows what kind of pesticides were in that water. I ate dry dog food, once too - and it's really not that bad, to be honest. Ever eaten Milk Bone dog biscuits? They're not too bad, either.

    After ALL THIS ... I was never in the doctor's office very often, for anything but school physicals and I've lived to see my 38th birthday in perfect health. I've got NO CAVITIES in any of my teeth (yes, they're mine), I've got slightly high blood pressure, but I'm the Senior Engineer at my company, so it's expected. I've got three kids, all of whom are boringly normal (health-wise) but exceptionally smart when they're not busy being "cool". I just don't see the poor effect this has had on my health or my kids'.

    Most people my age or older grew up the same way I did and have turned out just fine - even without government intervention. Just because the government says something's "bad in high doses", doesn't really mean the limit they set makes sense.

    Truth be told, I've never even heard what the symptoms of lead poisoning are, nor the long term affects of exposure. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard of a case where it was a real problem. Not saying there isn't, but ... it's obviously not very common or we'd all know ALOT more about it.

    I think I'd be more concerned with my kids eating paint AT ALL - lead-based or not. If my kids toys are peeling paint or my kids are eating the pieces, I think I should throw that toy away, regardless of what the pieces are made from. If it's not healthy, I'll keep it from them - to the extent that I can.

    I guess I see a few people getting upset with the manufacturers - as they should be - but brutally punishing them for the risking the lives of our kids ... when it could mean nothing more than a tummy-ache from eating something non-digestible ... I think we're going a bit over board.

    This is my OPINION and I hope I haven't offended someone in stating it.

    Respectfully stated,
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaJuN625 View Post
    As a little kid, I ate paint chips off the walls (which I'm sure had lead in them), I drank toilet bowl cleaner, Windex glass cleaner, model train track cleaner and even fabric softener.
    Hey Welcome to the certified "Whacko club". I will send you a plaque like mine.

    IMO I think the same way. Ya we should keep our kids away from known hazards but how much do you read into all these bloody studies they do. (This is bad for you, that is bad for you) It depends on your child, Does he or she put everything in there mouth???
    I like the study that was done a few years back saying pressure treated (Green pine) wood has arsenic in it, so down came every play centre in every park here in Canada. All replaced with ABS or steel. Last time I checked kids don't lick the play ground equipment all day long

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaJuN625 View Post
    Now, don't be too upset with me, I'm still new, here.

    I guess I have a slightly different view on the matter.

    YES, I completely agree that if the government sets limits on the amount of lead in paint, that ever manufacturer should be STRICTLY penalized for violating that limit.

    But, let's be a little more conscious about what affect this has on us: As a little kid, I ate paint chips off the walls (which I'm sure had lead in them), I drank toilet bowl cleaner, Windex glass cleaner, model train track cleaner and even fabric softener. Heck, at my grandpa's farm, I would even drink the water out of the ditch if I was thirsty - and who knows what kind of pesticides were in that water. I ate dry dog food, once too - and it's really not that bad, to be honest. Ever eaten Milk Bone dog biscuits? They're not too bad, either.

    After ALL THIS ... I was never in the doctor's office very often, for anything but school physicals and I've lived to see my 38th birthday in perfect health. I've got NO CAVITIES in any of my teeth (yes, they're mine), I've got slightly high blood pressure, but I'm the Senior Engineer at my company, so it's expected. I've got three kids, all of whom are boringly normal (health-wise) but exceptionally smart when they're not busy being "cool". I just don't see the poor effect this has had on my health or my kids'.

    Most people my age or older grew up the same way I did and have turned out just fine - even without government intervention. Just because the government says something's "bad in high doses", doesn't really mean the limit they set makes sense.

    Truth be told, I've never even heard what the symptoms of lead poisoning are, nor the long term affects of exposure. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard of a case where it was a real problem. Not saying there isn't, but ... it's obviously not very common or we'd all know ALOT more about it.

    I think I'd be more concerned with my kids eating paint AT ALL - lead-based or not. If my kids toys are peeling paint or my kids are eating the pieces, I think I should throw that toy away, regardless of what the pieces are made from. If it's not healthy, I'll keep it from them - to the extent that I can.

    I guess I see a few people getting upset with the manufacturers - as they should be - but brutally punishing them for the risking the lives of our kids ... when it could mean nothing more than a tummy-ache from eating something non-digestible ... I think we're going a bit over board.

    This is my OPINION and I hope I haven't offended someone in stating it.

    Respectfully stated,
    I used to have that attitude, but I've change my mind and I'm not convinced that there really are things in the environment that are harmful. I think that lead injestion is an extremely important issue.

    It's been estimated that lead poisoning was one of the major causes of the decline and fall of the Roman empire. They had a very well-documented slowdown in native Roman births (sterility) compared to outside populations that started after certain types of flatware and drinkware were developed that contained a high concentration of lead.

    Lead is banned in fuel, residential paint, consumer goods, , primarily becuase of the chance that it will come into contact with a person. Lead may cause a range of health effects, from behavioral problems and learning disabilities, to seizures and death. Children 6 years old and under are most at risk, because their bodies are growing quickly. It gets into the brain and there is no way to get it out.

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    Maybe my rhetoric about firebombing is a wee bithyperbolic.

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    This board was bought and paid for by yourself...so have at it. Unless of course you swear...then your Jeff and mine.

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