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11-15-2011, 07:59 PM #1
To Sell or not to sell the truck, that is the question...need some advice!
Ok guys and gals, need some solid advice, because I am seriously on the fence about this.
I own a 2005 Silverado K1500 (non z71) with tow package, and the 5.3L V8, 46k miles, paid in full (have title) 100% bone stock otherwise --- Relevant details.
I have a 6x10 vnosed enclosed trailer, single axel, no brake assist that I tow, with three "crotch rocket" race bikes in it (not drag bikes) and supporting gear. Don't know the exact figures on weight. However, I am looking to upgrade, so I can haul one more bike and one more person, making trips to the track less expensive in transportation costs.
Upgraded trailer: 7x16 vnosed enclosed trailer, dual axle, with brakes. It will house 4 bikes average weight around 400# a bike, plus tons of supporting gear.
Now decision is to sell the current rig, and buy a diesel, to facilitate towing upgraded trailer <OR> I could add airbags to the rear of my truck and an upgraded transmission cooler, and some new tires/wheels that are helpful in towing, like D rated tires and wider wheels.
I am after EASE of hauling, I want to run 80 mph and not feel the trailer behind me, no matter the terrain. Also, people with the current rig and the upgraded trailer are averaging 8-10mpg with the 5.3L. People with the diesel are getting 15.8 miles per gallon. This is at assumed 65-75mph.
Last edited by Burnall4; 11-15-2011 at 08:01 PM.2005 Silverado k1500 - Daily driver and tow rig for the toys
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11-15-2011, 10:56 PM #2
I pull a #4500 boat(dry weight) on a #1400 dual axle trailer.
The boat holds 57 us. gal. of fuel and about #400 of gear
I have a 2000 Silverado 1500, 4x4, 5.3L, Z71 with 3.73 gears and I get 8-10
BUT....I rarely go over 60 when towing although the truck could do it. A friend of mine with a boat gets 18 mpg w/diesel but has a much higher maintenance cost and pays more for fuel, so he very seldom drives the truck if he isn't hauling. I wouldn't think you would need a diesel unless you were towing around 7k or had a huge wind brake behind you like a box trailer.(you say yours is wedge shaped)
I think the real question is do you use the truck as a daily driver, if so how many miles a year, and what would the maintenance cost be for those miles, how much more would you pay in fuel for those miles, how much would your payment be (since you don't have one now) and how much is that ticket gonna cost since you can haul the load at 80 mph and is your insurance gonna go up if you get a couple tickets.
Other things play a factor as well
Like longevity and reliability of a diesel compared to a gasser, and are you going dually? if so thats 2 more tires to pay for
personally if I could afford it I would keep the gasser for light work and daily driving and get the diesel for towing.
Best of both worlds
P.S. The boat only gets 2.8mpg depending on wind and current.
Last edited by tswiczko; 11-15-2011 at 11:04 PM.Hold my beer, Watch this!!!!
11-16-2011, 12:13 AM #3
Those are some interesting points to make, and good ones.
Its not my daily, I have a company car, even though I find myself driving more in the truck then the car.
Here is tailer similar to the one i am looking at: so fully loaded it would be around 5000#
Never factored in the cost of maintenance for the diesel. Thought they were pretty much change the oil and forget it, and don't get water in the tank (gas)?!
11-16-2011, 12:37 AM #4
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I just sold my diesel because I realized that a gas truck could pull everything I needed pull. Diesel's are nice don't get me wrong but they are maintenance queens. Fuel is higher, oil changes are expensive, fuel filters, batteries etc. If they break they will break the bank to fix. So my advice is to fix your truck up to pull what you need it to do. Plus its paid for. Just my. 02
11-16-2011, 11:33 AM #5
I usually don't reply to these kinds of questions -- there's just too much that goes into making such a decision, and not all of it comes down to $$.
1st thing I'd suggest -- get a better feel for weight. It seems unlikely, but if the new setup has any chance of exceeding the tow capacity of your half-ton, then the rest of the discussion doesn't matter. If your half-ton is like mine, it should be rated (properly equipped of course) to tow upwards of 8000 or 10000 lbs.
Then, I'd sit down with a spreadsheet (or a sheet of paper) and calculate how much net out of pocket it will cost to get the diesel versus fixing up the existing truck. Part of that cost goes towards "EASE of hauling, I want to run 80 mph and not feel the trailer behind me, no matter the terrain." How much is this worth ($500, $5000, $15000)? Then the rest of that cost goes towards "making trips to the track less expensive in transportation costs." At this point, if I expect to be $5000 in the hole, and I only need the truck 2ce a year so that it will take 20 years to recoup the initial outlay, I start shopping for someone to fix up my half-ton. If I need the truck 30 times a year, and it will only take 1-2 years to recoup costs, then I start shopping for a truck. It is hard to know where to draw the line in between. It does seem that 8 or 9 times out of 10, I will choose to keep the existing vehicle rather than replace it.
Oh, and I do have to thank you for a little chuckle this morning. You said 80 mph no matter the terrain, and the image that popped into my head was you and that new truck pulling that trailer at 80 mph up one of those little dirt forest service roads leading to some of my favorite camping sites. Obviously not what you had in mind, but it did make me chuckle.'98 K1500 Suburban LS 5.7 L 4L60E NV246 ARB
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11-16-2011, 11:50 AM #6
I have to agree with what MrShorty said.:cool:
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11-16-2011, 12:07 PM #7
Yeah I agree with MrShorty. I am going to keep it. I think with the right airbags and weight distribution hitch I will be fine.
Does anyone have a good wheel and tire combo, been doing a lot of research on the form and on the google. Looking for a 17 or 18 that is wider with the correct back spacing to have the wheels more flush with body. Allowing me to run a d rated tire, and not have to do a lift.
I have the 17 inch chrome "Micky Thompson" looking stock Chevy wheels. The just aren't wide enough to sit flush with the body.
11-16-2011, 01:32 PM #8
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"Ease of Towing" no question the Duramax- or the Ford or the Cummins win.
Pure "Dollars and cents" then you current truck wins BY A LOT-probably by $20,000 or more over 5 years!!
Pure Fun?? Well lotta folks love diesels, but in truth your 5.3 1/4 ton(what 315 hp or so??) is probably quicker to 60 mpg than the almost 400 hp 3/4 ton Duramax.
Like others day-diesels are expensive to buy-and frequently PRETTY EXPENSIVE to maintain.
This BS I hear about the diesels "lasting 3x as long as spark motors??""" BS-Many many many SBC 5.7 AND 5.3 get well over 200,000 miles with ZERO motor problems.
Many TD have problems with the Fuel Injection systems-and they cost LOTS to repair.
Yeah the motors themselves rarely break, but how many spark motor Chevy/GMs do you see on the side of the road with blown engines(yeah the do eat intake manifold gaskets, but the latest gaskets probably have solved that problem)
87 octane is $3.19 diesel is $3.87- this mean a 10 mpg spark motor gets the same FE as a 12 mpg diesel
So the 5 mpg the TD gets towing is really just 3 mpg cost wise.
The $30,000 or so the Durmax will cost you on a trade in- will NEVER BE MAD UP FOR IN SAVED FUEL
If you tow 20,000 miles per year you will use $5039 of fuel
20000 ON THE SPARK MOTOR you will use $6380 worth of fuel
So at best you will save $1400/year IN FUEL
No way can you ever make up the $30,000 in cash the Duramax will cost over the 5.3.
Besides the maintenance on the Duramax will be hundreds more per year.
The non towing FE WILL BE A WASH or maybe favor the 5.3.
I got my doubts about the 15.8 towing with the Duramax, but maybe that is correct at 65 mph or so.
The diesel tows better, WAAAY better, but it is WAAAAY more expensive. Your current truck should be fine towing 7000 lbs
How much is ease in towing worth-$30000 or so??
11-16-2011, 02:07 PM #9
I find the stiffer side wall fells more stable at highway speeds and I always keep them inflated to the pressure rating on the sidewall of the tire not the pressure on the door sticker.
Every time I get a set on or get the oil changed the mechanics always try to set the pressure to 32 pounds since that is what is on the door panel and I have to explain to them since these are not factory tires they should be set to the sidewall pressure rating
I gues they don't realize running a tire too low on pressure is bad for the sidewall
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