Another 5.3 with AFM bites the dust ~ Chevrolet Active Fuel Management Problems

Discussion in 'GM Powertrain' started by hblock72, Jan 19, 2013.

  1. hblock72

    hblock72 New Member

    History:
    Bought truck new- 2007 Silverado Crew Cab LTZ Z71 4x4 with 5.3 and active fuel management.

    All was great for a while, first new vehicle I'd ever owned.

    At 54,500 miles check engine light comes on and has misfire-dealer diagnosed as no compression on cylinder7, Replaced collapsed lifter.

    At 80,300 miles check engine light comes on and engine develops loud knocking-dealer diagnosed agressive lifters/lifter oil filter dirty/P0521 oil pressure sender fluctuation, they replaced all left side lifters.

    At 90,800 miles check engine light comes on yet again-dealer diagnosed as another P0521 code and replaces sending unit. Although this time I have to pay for it as it's considered an electrical component and not covered under the 100,000 mile powertrain waranty.

    At around 100,000 miles oil consumption starts getting bad. Close to a quart every 1000 miles. Looking back and after reading up on this topic, I figure this started much earlier, I just didn't think much of it at the time.

    Now at 116,500 miles check enigne light comes on with misfire-dealer diagnosed as needing tune up (spark plugs, wires, and intake manifold cleaning) and quote me $720.00. This didn't seem right to me, but I told them to go ahead if that would fix it. Then get a call the following day that two cylinders have no compression and they are recommending an engine replacement to the tune of $7200.00.

    I had hoped to just get the thing fixed enough to get rid of the check engine light so it would pass the state inspection then trade it off in the next few months. Now here I sit with a nice $40k truck that is otherwise in great shape and I've been happy with except for the engine which appears to be a complete lemon.

    Looking for some opinions here. Obviously i'm not crazy about having to spend $7200. Although I'm supposed to get a call from the service manager on monday to see if he can do anything. Service writer couldn't do much. I'm hoping the dealer can work with GM and they'd be willing to at least reduce the price some, but won't be holding my breath. Seems like I don't have much choice other than to replace the enigne since it's only worth it's weight in scrap metal as it sits. Maybe with a new engine I could go another 3-4 years before getting another vehicle. I'd pretty much have to after sinking that much money into it. Could consider a junk yard engine and a shade tree mechanic, but that seems kinda iffy to me as well. Thoughts???
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  2. Enkeiavalanche

    Enkeiavalanche Moderator

    First off Welcome....

    Alot of us have been getting problems with our 5.3 motors and the Great GM CRAP computer controlled AFM. I'm getting my motor rebuilt in the next few weeks and now (I think) because of a Heavy Blue smoke one of my 02 Sensors are bad but they tell me they will not cover it.. The service writer I have known for over 20 years and he knows ALL of my past GM trucks have gone over 100K with NO motor problems...:grrrrrr: I told him right out Fix it or the truck goes THROUGH the new Windows they are putting in now at the dealership!!!I've got 90K on it and I will not stand for this CRAP!!!

    I am taking this as High in GM as I can.. As a member of SEMA I know some higher people at GM and will be sending them all Letters...

    You know the saying.. Something good happens you tell 2-5 people, Something bad you tell 8-10 people...

    ME!!! :grrrrrr: Something like this!!! I tell the WORLD!!!!!!:gasp:

    I also just replaced my Evap that we are all having problems with... My dealer said they are doing a few a week.. WE should NOT have to pay for this.... GM knows of the problem...
  3. Sierraowner5.3

    Sierraowner5.3 New Member

    makes me want to go into the tuner and turn the AFM off. this is scaring me alot. i dont have the mileage you guys do, so it shouldnt be an issue for a while regardless, but its still not good. this makes me wonder if the 6.2s in the vortec maxs are having these same issues as well, i would guess not since they are not AFM engines.

    @hblock72 - sorry to hear of your troubles. seems like GM owes ya something. you might try a salvage yard and see if you can find a lower mileage 5.3 donor engine.

    Alex
  4. hblock72,

    Could you DM me your information (full name, number, address, VIN, current mileage, and involved dealer) along with any other additional information on your issue so I can look into your situation?

    Evan, GM Customer Service

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    Enkeiavalanche,

    I'm sorry to hear about your issues. If you would like to send me your information, I could check in with your dealership?

    Evan, GM Customer Service
  5. TRPLXL2

    TRPLXL2 New Member

    What state do you live in?? I live in Ohio, and I have bought multiple engine from cleveland pick a part. They are a salvage yard that specializes in LS engines. I have bought 3 from them, and they have all been like brand new no problems. They have a Trailblazer SS 6.0 liter 4l80e dropout with 38,000 miles on it right now for $4,000 COMPLETE pedals, ecm, harness and all. That engine is 400 hp, and was more fun to drive than your 5.3 AND no more VVT crap!!!

    Just a thought, no way I would spend $7,200 for a 5.3 when there are a ton of options out there.
  6. stchman

    stchman New Member

    The 6.2L on the Silverados and Sierras(non-Denali) do not have AFM. The Denali and Escalade with the 6.2L have AFM.
  7. Sierraowner5.3

    Sierraowner5.3 New Member


    yep, knew that, thanks tho!

    Alex
  8. stchman

    stchman New Member

    Am I lucky? My 2008 Silverado with the 5.3L engine was trouble free when I traded it in with 73K miles. The only thing my 08 did was use ~1qt of oil every 5-6K miles. My 2013 with 3500 miles (changed oil at 1K) is still on the full mark.
  9. jake's silverado

    jake's silverado New Member

    Well you do still have a 5.3 right? I'm more lucky I think, now having a 6.2 2500 HD. :lol:

    Now how many have toasted themselves?
  10. Enkeiavalanche

    Enkeiavalanche Moderator

    I will PM you all the info.. Hope you can help with this motor/AFM thing and now the 02 Sensor that I think went bad because of the Blue/Oil smoke from the first problem...

    Thanks Glenn
  11. hblock72

    hblock72 New Member

    Update:
    Dealership called me monday and asked if I wanted a new motor or to repair the one in the truck. Told me I needed to kinda decide which way I wanted to go so they could see what they could do for me with their district service manager. (they were very vauge with this) Told them I wanted a new engine of course as this one obviously has been nothing but trouble. They told me that's what they would recommend as well as it would come with a 3yr/36K mile warranty. Then they went on to tell me the GM usually won't offer any assistance with this option and I'd still be on the hook for the $7200. They said for GM to provide any assistance, they would want to troubleshoot and repair the engine in the truck and would likely cover up to 50% of the cost. Although, not too happy about it, I chose the repair route hoping it would come in much cheaper than the $7200. So this morning I got a call from the dealer telling me they (just like before) had found collapsed lifters and replaced them and the truck was ready to be picked up and that GM was covering the cost of the repair. I would only owe for the sparkplugs/wires/tune up.

    I guess I have mixed feelings on this. I'm glad I don't have a huge repair bill. On the other hand, this is probably just another band-aid fix and will likely happen again, it's now happened at 55k, 90k, and 117k, so I guess they're only good for about 30k miles. I also doubt this will fix the oil consumption problem. I guess i'm just gonna hope I can get through another few months and be looking to trade for something else and just cut my losses with this thing.


    TRPLXL2: I'm in NC, so ohio's a pretty good haul

    EVAN: thanks, i tried to PM you, but not sure it went through (i'm not too savy with these forums)
  12. Enkeiavalanche

    Enkeiavalanche Moderator

    Just as the Old saying goes.... They Sure as hell don't Build them like they Used to.. SAD!!!
  13. Conlan Rose

    Conlan Rose Super Moderator

    This all makes me happy I got the last gen of GM engines before AFM came to be. Go 5.7L Vortec!
  14. TRPLXL2

    TRPLXL2 New Member

    All this technology is awesome in theory, but if the mechanics can't fix it then what good is it?

    I'm glad you got it fixed, but just remember every vehicle is going to have lemons out there. It's inevitable.
  15. Enkeiavalanche

    Enkeiavalanche Moderator

    But too many of us and others not on this site are having the same issue's It's not good.. Bring back the Old 5.7 It was and still is A Great motor and with a little work it too can get good MPG's and last over 100K with NO problems...
  16. Pikey

    Pikey Moderator Staff Member

    When was the first year AMF was available for the 5.3l? It was not an option in 02 or even 05. I am happy with my nonAMF 5.3l
  17. Conlan Rose

    Conlan Rose Super Moderator

    2005 was first year with it standard in all but the LH8 engine. Not sure on prior to that, but the 5.7L is the last gen of "true" Chevy small blocks and it had no form of AFM. I wish GM never removed it from production, its one of the best engines ever built. I love mine and other than the rear main seal going I've never had a problem and that's with 198,200+ miles. Some have even reached 1,000,000 miles!
  18. Pikey

    Pikey Moderator Staff Member

    Hmm, I have a L59, So by that theory I should have AFM if it was standard for all but the LH8. I have been meaning to ask, did that messed up noise on your passenger side head go away after all the work you did?
  19. Conlan Rose

    Conlan Rose Super Moderator

    Yah the noise has cleared up pretty much, except cold morning starts it returns for a little. PM me about it.

    Btw the L59 is just fuel flex it doesn't explicitly say it is an AFM engine. The LH6, LY5, LMG, and LC9 are all AFM engines; ones prior to those I don't know.
  20. ChevyFan

    ChevyFan Administrator Staff Member

    Sorry to hear about your issues .

    First off, can you tell us the history of anything else that we should know about the vehicle. Regular oil changes (and you kept proof), regular maintenance by the book, etc. What did you do with the truck? Regular driving and/or light commercial work? Did you tow heavy trailers with it a lot (not just a trailer to go camping or the boat to the beach) ... I'm just trying to get an idea for how the truck was used.

    Seems like now that these engines are starting to get some age on them that a lot of people are coming forward to voice their concerns about the engine longevity. I'm going to make a register of sorts so that people with these issues can let it be known that they're seeing some issues.

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    On average the longevity of engines and transmissions is going through the roof. The average major mechanical breakdown occurs now close to 190,000 when averaged across all makes/models for the last few years.

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    That's a very good point. As these system get more and more complex, and we have shorter time-to-market cycles, I wonder if they're doing enough to engineer out all of the potential issues?

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