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Does GM need Chevy AND GMC?

Discussion in 'Chevy Silverado Forum (GMC Sierra)' started by stchman, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. 1953bowtieguy

    1953bowtieguy New Member

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    The only thing that i can find different with chevy and gmc, is that gmc is still always more luxurious than chevy nomatter what package you have. Gmc rides better, unless there is a flaw in the suspension. Chevy is the working mans pickup built to go through **** like no other, GMC is for the higher class people that want to be treated better when in a car.
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  2. moogvo

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    That is correct and the primary reason that both exist. It gives other GM retailers the ability to offer trucks. One is just a re-skinned version of the other. All chassis parts and most body parts are interchangeable from one to the other. There are subtle differences in the newer stuff that makes some parts non-interchangeable, but by-and-large, they are exactly the same under the badges.

    Back in the days of the OBS trucks (88-2000), every single part would swap from one to another including tail lights, grilles and the like. Newer year models may have identically shaped fenders, for example, with different edges for different grilles and lights.

    Take the Cadillac Escalade, for example, The OBS was exactly like the Suburban with a different nose. That nose, however, would directly bolt on to any other C/K truck without any modifications to the truck.

    Differences between the trucks today are limited to what you see. Underneath the skins, they are identical. They are built to offer non-Chevrolet franchises to be able to offer GM trucks.

    The GMC line has been PERCEIVED to be a more "upscale" version, due to the fact that they have historically been offered at Buick, Cadillac and other high end car retailers almost exclusively. This gives people the impression that they are somehow "better" or "higher end" trucks, in spite of GM's marketing efforts to bill the GMC as a professional grade work truck. It simply ain't so.
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  3. stchman

    stchman New Member

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    This paragraph might be the most preposterous thing I've ever heard.

    I like the "rides better" comment, made me laugh!!!!

    So GMC is a for higher class of people, elitism at its absolute finest. All us inbred redneck genetically inferior Chevy driving folk aren't worth anything!!!
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  4. clinton_hedrick

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    If GM thinks they can produce 2 brands of trucks, why can't the produce a manual transmission in their trucks? If they are making less options to help their bottom line (What the dealership told my dad), why don't they cut one of their brands of similar trucks?
    I just want a REAL transmission in an HD Chevy
    Yes, I have driven one with an Allison, yes it pulled a trailer up and down hills great, but NO, I don't like it.
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  5. stchman

    stchman New Member

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    Finally someone that actually knows what they are talking about. It's all a perception, no fact for a basis.

    Thank you.

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    In my 1998 W/T truck I had a 5 speed and loved how it drove. I too wish that GM would offer a manual tranny in a full sized pickup.
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    Also the reason why GM has both is they get more money selling two different brands of pickup and suv. same with ford.
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  7. moogvo

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    The reason they don't offer manual transmissions is not a money issue... It is an EPA issue. Thank the Government for that. We can import vehicles with manual transmissions and diesel engines but it is FAR too costly for an American car maker to have those offerings.
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  8. stchman

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    There are quite a few American cars with manual transmissions.
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  9. Pikey

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    Wow, do you have some sort of complex? This is the second time that you have mentioned that GMC owners are elitist! I don't think that I am any better than anyone else because I have a GMC. When I bought it I started by looking at suburbans. I could not find one in my price range that was not trashed on the inside or beat to crap on the outside. So I settled with the truck that was the least abused (cosmetically) it just happened to by a GMC. I did not go out and say to my wife, "Hey, we all know that I am extremely awesome and my extreme awesomeness has outgrown chevy, lets get a GMC just to accentuate my awesomeness "! Matter of fact I only owned chevys until I sold them both to buy my GMC. I loved my chevys and if my family had not outgrown them I would still have them. But, try putting 2 large dogs and 3 cars seats in an extended cad silverado, then go on a 3 hour drive not very comfortable.


    Do you argue with everyone?
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  10. stchman

    stchman New Member

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    So you think I have ZERO point to the elitism comment.

    What about the:

    "GMC gets better tires than Chevy"
    "GMC has better sound deadening material than Chevy"
    "GMC has a better ride than Chevy"

    Best one by far is:
    "GMC is for the higher class people that want to be treated better when in a car."

    Yeah, and I have a complex.....
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  11. Pikey

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    I stand by my statement that GMC tends to get a nicer riding tire and shock. I am currently looking into proof of the sound deadening comment. I still dont think that I am better then a chevy owner because I have a gmc. I put the same tires on my chevy that I put on my GMC. I like a nice ride.
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  12. Conlan Rose

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    Chevy sold 1,000,000 Cruzes in a little more than a year... Chevy cars most definitely out sell their entire truck line. Also Cruze, Sonic, Spark, Corvette, and Camaro come in manual as the basic option an auto costs more.

    Buick is meant to add a middle ground between the higher LTZ trimmed Chevy and Cadillac. They also only sell cars except for the Enclave. Buick builds luxury/fuel efficient cars and one crossover. Cadillac builds performance inspired luxury vehicles i.e. the ATS goes against the BMW 3 Series. The Denali models are meant to be super luxurious while the other trims are the same as Chevy trims. Chevy as I stated earlier is a FULL LINE auto manufacturer just like its main competitors Toyota, Nissan and Ford. This means they sell all sizes of vehicles from sub compact (Spark) to full size SUV (Tahoe and Suburban).

    GM offers 4 brands because they want to give the buyer a choice of what they truly want. This is why GM had Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Geo, Hummer, and Saab. All made very similar products, but each had its own special quality.

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    GM describes their brand politics as having "two brands" which "will drive our global growth. They are Chevrolet, which embodies the qualities of value, reliability, performance and expressive design; and Cadillac, which creates luxury vehicles that are provocative and powerful. At the same time, the Holden, Buick, GMC, Baojun, Opel and Vauxhall brands are being carefully cultivated to satisfy as many customers as possible in select regions.


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  13. stchman

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    Pure nonsense.

    I did read a while back that GMC customers had this mindset of trucks they were wanting to buy:

    GMC
    Ford
    Chevrolet

    Sounds kind of silly, but people can be that way.

    It's all perception. GMC's "We Are Professional Grade" really makes people go gaga.
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  14. Sierraowner5.3

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    what are you so upset about? it seems like you think GM is crazy for having both. I grew up with chevys, my first truck was a chevy. my second was a GMC, and the current one is a gmc. i dont have it because i think its better then the chevy, i have it because it had the options i wanted, at a price i could afford, at the time i was looking. I also think that the current generation of trucks the GMCs look better. if you dont agree thats fine, but no need to argue with people who disagree with you over something fairly minor.

    ever heard the saying "To each their own."? you say chevy, I say GMC, and leave it at that.

    Alex
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  15. moogvo

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    Yes... CARS. Very few with V8 engines. Those that DO have manual transmissions AND V8 engines are geared so high with ratios like 3:08 that you lose any benefit of the V8 in the first place. You are better off with a V6 and 3:73 gears.
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  16. stchman

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    The whole point of this thread was that GM downsized to "save" money after borrowing taxpayers $$$$$, would not GM save some more $$$$$ by reducing redundancy in their most popular selling vehicles.

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    1,000,000 Cruzes?? Nope.

    In the US for 2011, GM sold 231K Cruzes, as of September 2012 GM had sold 180K Cruzes, that's far less than 1 million. Granted the Cruze sells pretty good, but nowhere near the numbers that the Silverado sells. Also, pickups are a lot more profitable than small cheap eco cars like the Cruze, Spark, Sonic, etc.
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    To be honest I always thought the GMCs looked better. To me it is more refined looking with fenders that look like molded in flares instead of the shoebox looking sides of the Chevy.

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  18. clinton_hedrick

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    Yes, I realize that there are a lot of CARS with a manual tranny, but I want a Duramax with a real 6 speed.
    Stupid EPA. Those idiots that they have testing the fuel mileage don't know how to properly change gears, and on some of their reports they show that automatics get better MPG than manuals. Idiots. They rated the Civic I have at 35 on the hwy for a manual and 34 with an auto. I get 38-39 average through hills, curves, and 20% city driving. Plus, I'm 17, so i drive with gusto (manual trans). A friend of mine has a similar civic with the same engine, but an automatic and he is lucky to get 34. Eat that EPA

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    Yes, I realize that there are a lot of CARS with a manual tranny, but I want a Duramax with a real 6 speed.
    Stupid EPA. Those idiots that they have testing the fuel mileage don't know how to properly change gears, and on some of their reports they show that automatics get better MPG than manuals. Idiots. They rated the Civic I have at 35 on the hwy for a manual and 34 with an auto. I get 38-39 average through hills, curves, and 20% city driving. Plus, I'm 17, so i drive with gusto (manual trans). A friend of mine has a similar civic with the same engine, but an automatic and he is lucky to get 34. Eat that EPA
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  19. 1953bowtieguy

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    Pickups will always be more profitable than cars, because the us is more of a pickup country just like canada. most of the country has snow in the winter, if they dont they more tahn likely have mud.

    GM will never down size their product line because then they will end up losing money. if they would do anything to their product line they will prolly end up adding some vehicles to it.
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  20. AnimalYates

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    Haha, there is a LOT of butthurt going on in this thread.

    I have always wondered this same question. Why have both? I understand that one model of truck may appeal to specific people more than another and that is probably the core reason behind why they both still exist today. People still buy both brands, thus largely increasing GM's profits. Can you blame them?

    Took the words right out of my mouth man. My first truck was a Silverado because I preffered the 03-07classic Chevy's over the GMC. I prefer the NNBS Sierra BY FAR over the Silverado. And it just happened to be what I was looking for, with the right price tag, at the right time. I didn't choose my GMC because I wanted to put on some "professional" front. LOL. What kind of tool would I be..?
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