Fuel Mileage Help

Discussion in 'Chevy Silverado Forum (GMC Sierra)' started by palmer_df0130, Feb 1, 2013.

  1. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    I have a 99 Chevy Silverado 5.3l Z71 and my MPG's have dropped from a best of 17.5mpg/avg of 15.5mpg to the low 14's the last 2 tanks. In Oct last year it started throwing the P0171 and P0174 codes. The truck still ran fine and I was still averaging 15.5mpg after clearing the codes. Near the end of Oct before a hunting trip, the code came back and I replaced the pre-cat O2 sensors(Bosch) and during the 2 round trips from Yuma to Tucson I had the best fuel mileage I have ever had with this truck during the month of Nov with no codes. Then of course the first week of December I get the same codes back so I ordered new AC Delco intake gaskets and AC Delco knock sensors and wiring harness and replaced them. Ever since I replaced those parts along with cleaning the MAF and throttle body, I am getting the crappiest fuel mileage I have ever had since I owned the truck. I checked all my spark plugs(AC Delco 41-110) the other night and they all looked good and put a bottle of Redline SI-1 fuel system cleaner in this current tank and right now I'm just a hair off of a 1/4 tank left and 250 mile on the odo. The truck idles and runs good it seems, but just crappy fuel mileage. Could the Bosch O2 sensors be the cause even though they seemed to be good in the beginning? If so, I might get AC Delco O2 sensors and take the Bosch's back for a refund. Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions.
  2. redvett

    redvett New Member

    Are you checking fuel economy by filling tank and running until 1/4 tank, then refilling and calculating miles driven by gallons used? Everything else is grossly inaccurate.
  3. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    Yes, I fill up and let it get down to a quarter tank or a little less and fill up again. This last time, I filled up at half tank and that tank is what I am currently on now. I always keep track of mpg by the odometer and gallons needed to refill.
  4. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    when you get the 171/174 codes the first thing to do is NOT replace the O2 sensors or any other parts. these two codes when together mean vacuum leak .

    the PCV on your vehicle along with the hoses and the seating groment must be with no defects. also the oil fill cap/dip stick secure and properly sealing the system. this includes the breather hose on the passenger side.

    when this is replaced checked and it still throws these codes you must find the vacuum leak. could be the intake manifold. using a small propane torch with a hose on the torch end probe for leaks using only a small amount of the gas. this will locate the leak in most cases. using carb cleaner will work but it will eat the plastic/gaskets wiring etc,,,.

    if you have too much gas hard to find the exact point of leak. when the gas is injested the rpm will rise.

    the reason the MPG is poor is because the pcm is seeing a lean condition so it drives the injector to open longer .

    then the other item would be the fuel pump pressure. if low the engine will run but cause a lean condition. many report that with the proper pressures the MPG improves. 52-60 psi engine on . if good should be 56psi with engine at idle. engine off key on 60 psi area higher than run . this is because the regulator has no vacuum. check that regulator hose for leaks or fuel in it. regulator can be leaking also.
  5. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    I have not thrown a code for the last month since I replaced the intake gaskets. I also replaced the PCV valve(fixed orfice) and hose right after the intake gasket was replaced. The fuel pump was replaced with a Delphi about 4 months ago. Would a fan clutch that is not operating correctly suck up gas mileage? It runs just a tad under the 210 mark all the time.
  6. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    the fan clutch will go by causing overheating. the oil leaks out and the fan does not engage as much causing less flow. never seen a fan clutch fail by engaging too much .

    tire pressures will cause low MPG. fuel pressures should be checked. also a dirty fuel filter will reduce pressures.

    since you have no failure codes this is saying its all within the PCM programing spec.

    low fuel pressure will throw a code most times . if the pressure does drop too low you do get the 171/174 sometimes which also may be the vacuum leak .

    temp should be 190-5 deg f. so your indication sounds exactly on.

    the air filter may need replacement or if cleanable cleaning . if you have a KN filter follow the directions and allow time for the material should dry / oil properly.


    why did you replace the KSensor ?

    if some how you used the wrong ones or installed wrong somehow it is possible they are indicating pre- ignition which would throw back the timing. an exhaust leak is also a condition that would do this effect.
  7. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

  8. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    your truck/my truck 5.3L uses the ac delco 213-3521. delphi AS10017 , or a duralast [WELLS] su1282.

    what did they give you ? should go for 45-55.oo.........ea
  9. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    I got the AC Delco 213-3521's. Would the fixed orfice PCV have any effect on the fuel mileage? The vacuum through it compared to the original one is alot less it seems.
  10. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    your talking about the rubber valve cover PCV grommet ? the vacuum to the PCV [hose] could be plugged up or under vaccum collapse. not properly installed or securely connected. did the hoses you replace for the pcv look and feel as the oem. if these hoses are soft this would not be good.

    pull out the pcv engine on and you should get a good vac. if its weak pull off the pcv and see if the vacuum is strong/ I would expect the engine to stall or idle to go erratic fast.

    if the wrong pcv is used or the flow of crankcase vapors is wrong this could mess up the pcm on fuel management .

    the KS I would say is good .
  11. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    The PCV valve, hose and grommet are GM replacements. The hose and fixed orfice valve came as an assembly. I will dissconnect the valve from the hose and see if the vaccuum increases, if so, I will put the old style pcv valve back in and see if it makes a difference with fuel mileage. Thanks for all the responses j cat.
  12. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    what is the part number of this new pcv fixed orifice /HOSE valve ? I WOULD LKE TO CHECK THIS PART OUT .

    I just replace the pcv and if needed get new hose like oem 2000 . use ac delco pcv .
  13. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    Engine Crankcase Ventilation #12574660 GM. It comes with the fixed orfice valve and tube. I found Ebay to be the cheapest.
  14. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    the part number is correct so just make sure that the intake connection is with no restrictions. also pvc tube may have some debris packing material in it.
  15. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    The vaccum is low with the fixed orfice valve on it. I pulled the valve off with the engine running and it had really good vacuum, so I put the original style AC Delco valve back in it and there was still good vacuum. I just filled up my tank and only got 14.1mpg's this last tank. Will see if changing the pcv valve back to the original helps with the fuel mileage.
  16. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    ya 14 mpg is not good. up here I get 17 MPG in the cold winter temps. you should get in 70 deg f temps 17-18 mpg if you keep the speed down to 70MPH.

    after the test run post back what happened.

    I have never seen this vac restrictor on any vehicle . the hose is with no internal valves.

    I am going to see if I can get one to look at .
  17. palmer_df0130

    palmer_df0130 New Member

    The pcv valve is from a TSB that GM sent out for motors that are using too much oil during their oil change interval and it's supposed to slow consumption. I think its mainly for the AFM motors though, but figured I would try and see if my oil consumption would completely go away even though I am only using a quart about every 4,000-5,000 miles. The valve is hollow inside with a small hole in the end that goes into the valve cover.
  18. j cat

    j cat Active Member

    well we are lucky we do not own those AFM engines. I too go about 8,ooomi on oil change synthetic mobil 1 and I use less than a qt of oil with 140,ooomi on it now. I would say 3/4 qt @ 8,ooomi. those new engines suck up lots of oil some with 40,ooomi use 1 qt every 1,000mi.

    thats why I still have this 2000 sil. new ones are not good !

    if the engines have alot of blowby gases reducing the PCV flow will reduce oil useage BUT it will create lots of carbon issues and plug fouling/oil damage. these engines also require dexos GM approved engine oils. my last oil change the mobil 1 has this now on the container.

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