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Goodbye to some of the engines we know and loved?

Discussion in 'Chevy Truck Talk & GM News' started by Crispyt, Mar 22, 2013.

  1. Crispyt

    Crispyt New Member

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    From what I heard GM is discontinuing some of there engines that have been around for awhile and replacing them with a different engine family. From what I remember they are stopping production of there 4.3l, 4.8l, 5.3l and there might be another one I can remember, for the 2014 mode year. But they are being replaced by new Ecotec3 engines that use nearly identical displacement but are in no way the same engine. They will be all aluminum engines that will have cylinder cutoff for better fuel efficiency. They are making these engines still in the 4.3l, 5.3l, and 6.2l but have nothing in common with the old engines. Kind of bums me out a little because I was a huge fan of the cast iron 4.3l. But the new engines do seem pretty cool and even the 4.3l engine is supposed to make huge horsepower for its size.

    From what I heard there won't be any 4.8l being made anymore either.

    Anyone else heard about this or have any options?
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  2. Conlan Rose

    Conlan Rose Super Moderator

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    You are correct the Vortec engine's are being replaced with new EcoTec small blocks. They will all be aluminum and come in 4.3l, 5.3l and 6.2. each will have significant horse power and torque increases and better MPG than the Vortec engines. We know that the 6.2l will put out about 30-40 more HP and torque than the current one it is rated at about 450 HP and 450 ft lb.
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  3. SurrealOne

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    Can't argue with lighter and more output ... oh wait, yes you can -- cost.
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  4. Enkeiavalanche

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    I say get rid of the AFM Crap maybe add a 7 or 8th Gear to better the MPG's...
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  5. AnimalYates

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    Amen to both of the comments above.

    I'm most excited to see the unveiled specs of the updated 4.3L. GM needs to make something to give the Ford Ecoboost a run for it's money.
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    4.3----305hp, true story

    I personally didn't buy a new V6 Camaro because of the AFM DOD junk, that is a huge turnoff for me. If that's what the truck market is coming to, then I won't EVER buy another new truck. I will rebuild my 6.0 until It can't be bored out any more.
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  7. Conlan Rose

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    Wow if you think about it the new V6 will make more power than the old Vortec 5.7L which was rated at 255 HP
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  8. SupplySgt

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    Nature of the beast at this point. GM has been cycling through this for a while now, just took longer to get to the truck motors. They phased out the 3800s in 2008 (first gasoline motor in the industry to acheive SULEV standards and one of the 10 best motors of all time) and only a year or two later phased out the last of the older 60* V6 family (ironically the ones that replaced the 3800 in some applications 2-3 years prior) in favor of the "High Feature V6 (which is also a 60* motor but uses a different bellhousing).

    Never did understand why they couldn't have used existing bellhousing bolt patterns when they replaced an existing motor though. I would think that would have decreased costs.

    Wouldn't surprise me if they come up with a different bellhousing bolt pattern for these new motors as well. That seems to be their pattern. I am glad that, at least in this case, they don't seem to be decreasing torque in favor of horsepower. Even the 3.5 and 3.9 that initially replaced the 3800s in most applications made far less torque and the same or (in the case of the 3900) less hp than the motors they replaced (3.5 replaced the N/A 3800 and the 3.9 replaced the SC 3800), with only marginal gains in fuel efficiency and emissions. Even the 3.6 used now still makes less torque (and less than 30 more hp) than the Supercharged 3800s, while fuel efficiency is not much better. I know the trendy thing is to go away from OHV motors, but those 3800s were one of the most bulletproof motors out there. Not to mention my 04 Monte Carlo SS Supercharged made more power AND got 6-7 more mpg than my mom's 08 Toyota Camry V6 gets.

    They initially wanted to phase out the 3800 10 years prior, but due to outcry from both customers and investors, they extended it.

    These new truck motors do seem to be pretty good though, especially the 4.3 compared to the old one. I just hope they at least keep the manual transmission available. And while they're at it, do away completely with the 5cyl for their smaller trucks and just use that V6. I never understood the purpose of that I5. If they were deadset on an Atlas motor, the 4.2 I6 would have been a great powerplant for the Colorados/Canyons.

    Excuse the bias towards the 3800s, I've had an even better experiences with them than I have with the old small block V8s (which is really saying something). Best motors I have ever owned.
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  9. PantheraUncia

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    Right now it does not bother me a bit, as long as they have identified and fixed the lifter and oil leakage problems on the vortec 5.3L's and fixed them in this new design, then again. This will be the last gas powered truck I own, so I guess it won't matter.

    I still haven't figured out how the cylinders wear evenly with AFM leading to allot of the problems we are seeing in every day use. What ever it takes afm needs to disappear till it really works.

    I thought the gas 2014's are moving to an 8 speed transmission? which should be nice if the bugs are worked out. I hope the next allison 1000 is an 8 or 10 speed.
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  10. Big_Mike

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    I understand what you mean, TRPLXL2! I like learning about how this technology works, but I don't want it on my truck! This new technology works great new, but it's expensive to replace electronic equipment when it (and it will eventually) goes bad or malfunctions. Then again, any repair is expensive.
    One way to look at it though, the only way to improve efficiency and reliability is to experiment with new equipment. However, I believe that it's human for us to want to resist change. Like some of the old timers in my life have told me, "Sonny boy, if ain't BROKE, then DON'T fix it!!! Or in other words, "Why get rid of something that works fine?"
    Looking at this from the manufacturer's point of view, no matter what they do, they won't be able to satisfy everyone. That's just part of life.
    Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention, Crispyt. This was an interesting post to read.
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    For [MENTION=33410]SupplySgt[/MENTION]:
    GM has not been offering a manual transmission in quite some time in the trucks.

    The new Ecotec3 engines are going to give GM a significant bump in HP and economy from what I've read. I can't wait for GM to release HP and economy figures for the new Ecotec3 engines.
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  12. SupplySgt

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    I knew you couldn't get a manual with a V8 in either the full size trucks or the mid sized, but I thought you could still get one with the V6 in the full size. Must be wrong. And that's a disappointment for me. Next truck I buy will likely be a smaller one that I can take hunting. I don't care for the 4 or 5 cylinders in the mid sized GM trucks so I'll probably end up having to go with another make since I prefer manuals. I remember seeing that Dodge stopped offering manuals in their Dakotas as well. Sucks that there aren't as many manuals available anymore.
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  13. Sierraowner5.3

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    god forbid people actually learn how to drive, they would much rather push a pedal and go. even 18 wheelers are headed that direction.

    Alex
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  14. DamnThatMexican

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    Good thing I think.... I love the 5.7 but I want to see more horsepower and more torque for my buck...they do have to do something because Ford is taking the market with gas mileage and power.

    It would be nice to see what they do with diesel, maybe even with a turbo on it. The sky's the limit.
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  15. Josh.Monroe

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    ^ agreed. I'd love to see more diesel options, especially on the lighter duty (1500) trucks. Diesel just makes too much sense for big3 to keep dragging their feet and getting out hopes up.

    That said, I don't mind the newer engines. They're gonna happen, and within a few years they're usually optimized for reliability and putting out more power+better MPG than their predecessors. Can't stop progress, why try?
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  16. carbon black

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    As for a diesel in the light duty trucks - GM is going to closely watch the response that Dodge gets with its diesel in the RAM 1500. Are enough people willing to pay the extra $'s for a diesel in a light duty truck ??? That is the million $ question.
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  17. DamnThatMexican

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    As for the diesel questions, what I lack in dealing with cars I try to make up for in trying to learn more about dealing with them and, from what I hear, the US, by 2025, wants all vehicles, including trucks, to be pushing 50+ mph.

    Now, I dunno about you guys but gas alone will not be able to do all this, at least in trucks, IMO. Ford is supposed to be going toward aluminum body parts and dropping about 700 lbs. all major companies are striving to be better and more powerful but, IMO, as a person who's dealt very little with diesels, even with the parts and maintenance costs being double, and gas costs being $.30-.50 more than gas, the jump isn't big to say that diesels might be a big contender in the future.
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  18. SupplySgt

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    I've been arguing for more diesel options for quite a while. Pretty much all the big automakers have diesel versions of their popular American cars available in Europe. But here's the thing, the ethanol lobby is doing everything they can to keep diesel from being considered a viable option in the US. And I think they will continue to do that. I've said for years that they are the reason why there are diesel versions of several different cars in Europe but they're not allowed to be sold here. If I had a 6.5L in my Burb instead of the TBI 350, I would save a good chunk of money despite the difference in fuel costs.
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  19. DamnThatMexican

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    Ya but is guess guess a ill scary because it's so much more to pay in the us the gas trucks
    but true me I've been thinking more and more about it
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  20. Josh.Monroe

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    Hopefully the laws of supply and demand, and economics of scale, and competition would work to bring down prices of diesels. Right now, its almost a novelty in cars, and unheard of in light trucks so the prices are high, but it makes a lot of sense to go diesel. Course, since I'm not in the market for a new truck, I can't really put my money where my mouth is...
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