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Heritage lines? and the design of modern GM vehicles....

Discussion in 'The Coffee Shop ~ Chit Chat' started by PantheraUncia, Feb 25, 2013.

  1. PantheraUncia

    PantheraUncia New Member

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    I know what heritage lines mean or have an idea what they mean, so I want to trace this back a ways (almost to the beginning).

    I found this photo on flicker of an old GM truck from the early 1900's.....

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    Now I consider that a beautiful truck..... now these "heritage lines" follow through to the 1950's to some degree...


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    Then something went seriously wrong..... not sure who at GM was smoking something other than tobacco...

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    While this truck still has "character" it marked a change, now I like this truck, but it was a major change.

    Then.....


    it sets in....

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    This is the basic design of the "modern" GM (Silverado/Sierra) that we know today

    GM only "deviated" to some degree from this design the year I bought my truck, the front end is slightly different, the whole "Box/Brick" look is gone and there the corners have been rounded out to give it a "sleek" modern look (see signature pick).

    That being said, yes trucks are bricks going down the road, but they can be ugly bricks or they can be good looking bricks. Everyone likes a good looking brick that is functional.

    That brings me to the 2014's. GM did not follow any "heritage" lines in the 2014 unless the GM trucks heritage started in the late 1960's (Which is obviously wrong).

    Maybe if GM really went back to its roots for the "look" of their trucks, we would have GM trucks that looked like Dodge truck's from the outside, while everything underneath the truck would be Vortec or Duramax.


    This:

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    and This:

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    Share absolutely nothing when it comes to looks and the 2014 should be disgraceful to GM truck enthusiasts.
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    You've kinda been unfair as you've mixed Silverado and GMC's interchangeably ... yet if you put two models of the same year side by side they tend to look slightly different -- especially in the noses of the NBS and NNBS trucks.

    Also, the image of the Ford and the 2014 GMC share more in common than the 2014 GMC has in common with its own past. Again, compare the noses. It readily becomes apparent when you compare its nose to a late model Ford truck's.
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  3. PantheraUncia

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    Opps, that is a ford, that is a simple fix.... but idea is there. I think that only the Ram's truely follow what a "traditional" truck would look like with the front wheel flares the way that do that and the hood that comes in (not as drastically as back in the early 1900's (Like a "V:))

    The differences between Silverado's and Sierra's is so minor..... grill, lights, that a comparison to an early 1900's Silverado/Sierra almost make the 2014's look alien.
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    They both have 1 piece windshields, believe it or not that was a major milestone for every automobile manufacturer to successfully do. And if you notice later model trucks go back to 2 piece windshields for a while.
    The first truck in your line-up is a 1936 Medium duty truck. And no it really doesnt lend any of its lines to the new GMC truck. It's more about name recognition for the company.
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    Tb,

    Why is GM so hung up on what I am going to call (Some may disagree) the "Ugly Square Brick" design from the late 60's through the early 1990's?

    If they want a good looking truck, go back and pull the lines and modernize them from that 1930's truck.... or would that make the GM trucks look to much like dodge rams these days?
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    The 2014 silverado looks like a 1985 truck. That was part of the design they said it in the unveiling cast.
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    They didnt get the name "Square body" because it was an endearing term, for some reason until Dodge redesigned in the 90's everyone thought a truck had to be a big square brick, other manufacturers have been slow to add style to the line, dont know why but I do agree those older trucks had style, body lines were more like art, very fluid and good to look at.
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    trucks of early years were work horses meant to do hard work and spent more time with tires that could go through a field then a paved road...todays trucks are different, they are fashion statements (try finding a early truck with a 6" lift in the early 1900's), family haulers (which is why we have to have extended cabs and quad cabs), and with larger displaced engines that need more room to breath (which the v shape would limit very much.....heck even AC was a luxary as well as full door panels, headliners, and carpet until the 70-80's ......trucks have evolved but the difference is way more then the body shape....there just totally different animals compared to the trucks of old...and used for way different purposes in most cases
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  9. PantheraUncia

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    I am not sure how that v shaped engine compartment affects the ground clearance, it actually looks normal in that photo of the early GM 3/4 ton. The engine and tranny are in the a-typical place that they are on modern trucks.

    That early one also,looks like its got 18-20inch wheels on it :)..... may not be gunmetal or chrome but they are big :)

    They should come out with a V shaped engine compartment on the next generations trucks, not quite as strong a "V" as the vintage truck but more agressive "V" than the look of the dodge Rams.....

    might be a change for the future and good of the GM truck market.
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    The older trucks didnt have to fit air conditioning, fuse panels, electronics, large air intakes, and the engines most of the time had a 2 or 3 speed transmission which took up a ton less room then the current transmission for sure (think about the fact that only a 6 cylinder could fit under the hood of a prowler))...agreed that order vehicles did have large wheels but they were horribly uncomfortable for sure LOL....I just cant see them going to this design but the second pic u put up is a very sharp truck with very nice lines.
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  11. barefoot greg

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    the v shape you're referring to has to do with whether or not the car has internal fenders or external fenders. Which when they swapped was a big engineering leap which is still why they are so popular today.

    Alot of the people around here bag on the newer chevies, and im talkin about chevy owners. The K10's big steel brick with leaf springs all the way around and a solid axle is still reveared as a nostailgic fail of chevy for swapping to IFS and making far smaller pretty trucks that everybody's girlfriend could drive. Dont get me wrong I love my chevy, but I've put alot of money into it to get the Big Steel Brick back!

    chevy did make a truck with external fenders called the SSR remember?


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    The New Silverado's Front clip reminds me of the 80's model Sierra with the top and bottom headlights, and the sierra's new frontend reminds me of the 74-79 chevy's
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    So the way I feel about the SSR is that is was a failed attempt to resurrect the el camino in the US. It really wasn't meant to change the full size truck market.

    What would you get if you took the good points of the SSR, the updates of the 2014 silverado and sierra, and met half way on a body design that would fit 1500's, 2500's, and 3500's?

    I think from a body design, that would be a quick seller..... not as radical as the SSR and not a BOX like the current 2014 trucks are.
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    Well, Nak, you can always head to a body shop with your idea and customize the heck out of your 2014...
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    That is an option and no one else would have it..... last time I asked about custom body panels (like a kit you could get for the pontiac fiero) to make it a ferrari; I was told the cost of custom panels wasn't worth it.....:gasp:
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    [MENTION=52280]nakranij[/MENTION], unfortunately, for your likes, GM is only interested in selling vehicles, not continuing a "heritage" line.

    Every truck that GM produced was designed by people with the current fashion trends in mind, the designs were "adjusted" by input from the buying public and approved by upper management. Heritage is always considered, GM wants you to be able to recognize their lines from a distance. I think they have done a good job, things like grill shape and style, side profile and tail light shape has subtile hints that belie the heritage.

    The "brick" appeal was very much in style while it was being produced.

    The SSR was a design exercise. Loved by those who saw it at the large car shows and tossed into production. At the time, the fashion trend of the day was '50s styling.

    Trends are very fickle, hence the short life of the SSR (some will blame the short life on the small V8, but adding the larger V8 didn't save it) and, the PT Cruiser and the Prowler didn't live long either.
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    Curb weight was a huge problem with the SSR. So was the sticker price. The Prowler was intended to be very limited in quantity and had more buyers than there were cars; sticker shock didn't seem to matter with it.
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    They were all design exercises. Point I'm making, is that the trend did not last long, the SSR, HHR, both gone, the customers like today's modern look.


    But, I would love to have an SSR
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    Personally, I think the NBS and NNBS look nasty and do not match the heritage of the GM truck, or the Big 3 trucks in general. Trucks have always been boxy with squared off corners. Cars are about curvy lines, not trucks. Personally, I like the look of the 2014 since it reminds me of the 2005 on Ford trucks once Ford realized curvy trucks doesn't look right. My favorite bodystyle of the GM trucks was the mid-80s.
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    You can get them for 25-35k depending on colour, mileage, and year. They're common enough, here, that there are three on Criagslist within 100 miles of me, right now. C'mon down. :)
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    Has anyone thought about what it would take, and the headaches you would encounter, to make a crew cab out of something like the Gen2 1955 stepside? The older lines are beautiful, but you just can't do as much with them as the more "square" modern designs.
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