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How many of you actually look for Dexos1 approved oil?

Discussion in 'General Chevy & GM Tech Questions' started by steved, May 3, 2012.

  1. steved

    steved Former Member

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    Just bought a 2012 2500HD with a 6.0L.

    Looking through the owner's manual, it states use Dexos1 approved oils...that really limits the oil you can use. Several name brand options I would use are not on the "approved" list, although I would hazard a guess they meet or exceed because they met the older GM specifications. The 2011s state you can use an API rated oil in substitution, but no mention of that for a 2012.

    GM is charging $0.09/quart of oil for the Dexos1 approval...so we are paying GM for an oil they approve? Sounds like just another way they can generate income?

    How many actually pay attention to the Dexos rating and just run a quality oil?
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    SurrealOne Former Member

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    I run what I like in my truck and am not paying GM a surcharge for a hokey approval.
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    sstoner911 New Member

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    The Dexos approval are simply a list of bech marks an oil must meet to get the Dexos stamp of approval. You might find this article interesting.

    http://www.imakenews.com/lubritec/e_article001860939.cfm?x=b11,0,w

    Penzoil and Quaker State all have Deoxs rated oils also. On one of the performance truck sites some of the members buy a Mobile 1 OIL that is Dexos at oriellys auto parts.
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  4. steved

    steved Former Member

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    See that's just it...I have ran Schaeffer for the last five years...have the UOAs that show it works well. I talked with them yesterday, and they indicated that GM doesn't even want oils to state "meet" or "exceed" the Dexos rating, either they are approved or nothing.

    I have a local guy that sells Amsoil...probably the route I will go after I do a couple "normal changes to flush things out.
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  5. Dirty Dog

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    Oils, and filters.... gm and all other manufactures John Deer, Cummins, Ford, Polaris etc. it doesn't matter which they all have finally figured out that there is no money in selling iron, no mater what your preference on iron is (trucks cars tractors) they make the the lions share of the profits on after initial sale, service and parts and warranty work.
    Now we the buying public need to be attracted to make a 60,000.00 dollar purchase , so they offer us a warranty, this warranty cuts into the profit so they put very rigorous qualifications on these warranties..... Such as what oil to use and filters, recommended shops and all kinds of things, to make sure this income comes their way.....

    Now I know that the GM or John deer filters I buy and use, are made by Baldwin, or fram, and painted to suit the company with the warranty.....But while the equipment is on warranty i am forced to by these same filters at a inflated cost for some fancy paint..... this guaranties my warranty will remain valid.
    And realistically speaking I need that warranty, the equipment we run daily is very expensive to fix, so until that warranty period is over i am forced to use the recommended oils, fluids, and filters, the day the warranty is over, we go to our shop stock of these products, and do the work ourselves and save around 50% of the dealerships cost.... and have yet to have any related problems....

    Ok hold on for this one, I don't know if you have ever really read or could understand any warranty agreement, from any manufacture. they are out there,,,, bumper to bumper,,, 3 full years,,,, 200000km..... well hold on it isn't like that at all......
    I was at My GM dealership last spring, and I do a fair bit of business with them, and was shocked as i was waiting for some parts, and over heard a customer and the service manager, discussing a warranty issue on a newer Car, purchased at the same dealership..... GM had Voided the warranty on this vehicle , as to some body work that was done at a shop other then a GM accredited shop..... the customer stated that this is a mechanical issue and nothing to do with the body work,,,,But the warranty was Voided By GM........ and if the dealership did cover these needed repairs under warranty it would be out of their own pocket .....I am sure the dealership has a slush fund for situations like this, for their preferred customers.....but all in all,,,its wrong...

    In closing if you intend to use the warranty on any product read very closely the terms of this warranty, and comply with every demand the company makes, as this will give you the best chances of actually being able to use the warranty if ever needed..... It is sad but true.......
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    osgprometheus New Member

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    Use what you want. As long as it is the proper stuff they will not be able to tell the difference.
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  7. steved

    steved Former Member

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    What's "the proper stuff"? API SN? Dexos 1? Full Synthetic?

    That's my issue...the Dexos 1 "qualification" is meaningless...GM even weasel words the owner's manual to state Dexos 1 or equivalent. What is equivalent?? You need something to base that qualification on.
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  8. steved

    steved Former Member

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    Hmmm...

    http://www.valvoline.com/promos/dexos.jsp

    ---------- Post added at 04:10 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:55 PM ----------

    Ehhh, I'll probably find something that has dexos1 stamped on it at this point...

    Amsoil is playing the old "it exceeds, but we're not paying for licensing" thing; so its likely out. Schaeffer won't commit either way.

    The joys of owning a new vehicle...
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    dsfloyd New Member

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    As some of the others have stated run a quality synthetic oil. Schaefers, Mobil 1 etc. I agree the joys of a new vehicle and that being said if you are more comfortable initially making sure to run the dexos do it. Its kinda like having to run autotrak II or dexron fluid. Not sure why except they say you have too.
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    I run Mobil 1 in my 11'. If it voids my warranty I will deal with that when the time comes.
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    It's not a BMW. Running the regular stuff won't make it throw any rods. :D
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  12. steved

    steved Former Member

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    I believe Mobil 1 is dexos1 rated...
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  13. dsfloyd

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    if it is mobil 1 is a great synthetic oil and is not very expensive
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  14. steved

    steved Former Member

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    Understood, I just don't like being limited in oil choices...there are only about four name brands that are on the dexos1 "list" that I have actually ever seen in a store.
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    John deere drives me crazy with all their maintiance shanagans. Sometimes I wish our old Massey ferguson still ran even though it wouldn't pull my Bailer or seeder
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    Understood, but they can question the warranty of any part related to a engine lubrication issue if a non-dexos oil is used...at the moment, I actually value my warranty! From the research I did, the dexos1 standard is actually better than the API SN, the new ACEA, and the G5...how much better is questionable, but several places indicated it was better.

    I actually decided on Mobil 1 Extended Performance...$115/12 quarts was hard to take, considering I bought five gallons of another full synthetic for not much more than those three!!! But I am also still hung on the old truck...14 quarts per change, and (at one time) 50k miles per year. I'm going to be lucky to change the oil twice a year in this truck based on the OLM, which should be right about 7500 miles if I took it right to zero.

    I did the oil change this past Sunday, definitely need to find a filter cup for future changes. The oil drained very dark, and very thick (?), for only 1500 miles. I would have assumed a new engine would have sheared the initial oil fairly quickly, and it would be thinner from the shearing and fuel dilution (rings not seated). It was metal-flaked, which isn't surprising...the filter didn't have anything surprising in it.
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