Yep, I am Serious!!!! My wife has a 2008 Pontiac Torrent. It has 65,000 miles on it. We have 2 young boys and another baby on the way. The torrent just does not have room for a third car seat. That on top of the hard starting issue that it has been having (that the dealer wants $100 an hour to diagnose it even though it is under powertrain warranty) has pushed me away from buying a new GM vehicle. Is a non starting issue a power train problem? In my book it is! I contacted @GM Customer Service a few days ago with the info they requested and they have not responded. So, even with the employee discount I get at GM, I am probably buying my wife a Town and country or a Caravan. I can get one fully loaded for $23000. I hate to leave GM, but this torrent has been a nightmare since purchase and getting things fixed under warranty has been even worse. I have never owned a non GM vehicle. At least I will still have the yukon.