If GM went to all models with a diesel option available? would you buy one?

Discussion in 'POLLing place' started by murdog94, Mar 9, 2011.

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IF GM Offered a diesel in every model would you buy one?

  1. YES, Make it now.

    35 vote(s)
    71.4%
  2. NO, they are smelly

    7 vote(s)
    14.3%
  3. Not Sure.

    7 vote(s)
    14.3%
  1. murdog94

    murdog94 New Member

    Alright as the title states if GM were to offer a diesel option in every model that they make would you buy one? Im not just talking about the trucks either, im talking about little 4cyl diesels in the cars, and so on. Basicaly similar to Europe where Diesel is the king for milage. I was shopping a little today for a gas mizer for work, and had someone say i should get a Prius, which has been proven to be more damaging to the Environment to build/drive than a HUMMER!
    Anyhow i have seen that GM offers a diesel model in every size in Europe. and they get 40 plus MPG, and have good power. Think about driving your K1500 with a lift to work and getting 25-30mpg with the same power you have now.
    So this is both a poll, and feel free to comment and discuss as well.

    And as a disclaimer, the muscle cars of GM would still be Gas engines etc.. this is more for the normal daily commute type vehicle.
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2011
  2. racekid91

    racekid91 New Member

    Yes and No. For me, it comes down to the model. No way would buy a Diesel Corvette or Camaro. But a Duramax 1500 would be kinda nice. I personally would not need a 2500 lined truck, but having a Duramax would be sweet.

    I'll go with yes though, it would be cool for the most part
  3. murdog94

    murdog94 New Member

    Think about something more like an impala, or malibu, or even a cruz! that was the intent.

    ---------- Post added at 06:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:17 PM ----------

    I drove a bunch of Diesel model vehicles in Kuwait, and Korea, and yeah they were awsome the parts runner we used in Korea was a Kia van, with a 3cyl 5spd, and it would still do 80mph or more, and drive nice, and for a 1.8L non turbo diesel it went like the dickens.!
  4. racekid91

    racekid91 New Member

  5. murdog94

    murdog94 New Member

    See that would be ok if you want something tiny.. me i want something the same size as a malibu, if i had the cash i would get a jetta TDI.. Im 6ft2 and small cars arent my thing. But if GM made it i would come. And the thing is the diesel powertrains are already in use in Europe on the same chassis that we are currently driving. So really it would take emmissions testing and your good to go. Think yes you may have to pay $3000 or so more for the same car but saving (for me by example) $200 a month in gas that would pay for itself and start saving me money VERY quickly.
  6. racekid91

    racekid91 New Member

    Jetta TDI's are nice cars, I've worked on a few at work and they move pretty good too. I love driving them when they are 5 speeds. Pretty fun little cars
  7. IanF

    IanF New Member

    The price point would be the kicker for me. There is no way i'm paying an extra ten grand for diesel GMs. If they make them at the same price and option point as the gas models for the same rough price point I would consider it. But if they only put them in the fully optioned models, forget it.
  8. murdog94

    murdog94 New Member

    See that is why i started this since GM only offers the Diesel in the big trucks, and since there isnt as many bought the price is high. I am putting the thought if GM followed the Europe model and offered a Diesel with anything you can get from basic Aveo to a loaded out 3500 1ton. That way the price would come down some, i know it will cost a little to develop and get the correct american emissions however $3000 for a motor that would pay for itself in the first 20K miles isnt a bad deal since after that you are just saving all that money, and you will have a car that lasts two times as long as your current one.
  9. mfleetwood

    mfleetwood Moderator

    I voted but I'm keeping my opinion a secret.....:glasses:
  10. ajarman

    ajarman New Member

    Hands down I would trade the truck in for a small D-Max in a 1500 if it did not cost an arm and leg.
  11. mfleetwood

    mfleetwood Moderator

    Yeah...I voted the same way. I selfishly really don't care about the car option but definitely SUVs and trucks!!
  12. ajarman

    ajarman New Member

    I bet they can put a properly tuned D-max in a Tahoe and it would kill the mpg numbers that the hybird gets.

    Mike, tell the truth! You think they are smelly.
  13. murdog94

    murdog94 New Member

    Well the thing is they could lop off 2 cyls and 2 or 3 liters and make is a 3.6L or 4.6L V-6 Dmax and get stellar numbers and great power with the MPG advantage.
  14. mfleetwood

    mfleetwood Moderator

    Only when I breathe through my nose!
  15. 1991 Suburban

    1991 Suburban New Member

    I would absolutely love a TD Corvette! Think about it...Great mileage, and hellacious powerband. Gimme one!
  16. stephan

    stephan New Member

    Not enough options in the poll so I didn't vote. I would buy a little kick me jogging shoe style of car for MPG only, but with diesel being $4.00 a gallon & this countries energy policy being stuck on "no drilling" & bowing down to the middle eastern terrorists for our oil, it would have to get 50+ MPG.
  17. mfleetwood

    mfleetwood Moderator

    Just vote you big baby!
  18. stephan

    stephan New Member

    You keep givin me the business, & I'm gonna tell everybody your wifes pet name for you :)
    Heck I might even start a thread for it just to be sure everybody sees it ha ha ha
  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis New Member

    Yes,I would buy one.
    Europeans, Asia,SA all have those little 4 cyl diesels we don't have.
    Our EPA regs are a bit more stringent, and the Europeans actually have some sort of benefit that actually favors diesel-I think it is cheaper than gasoline in Europe(not 1005 sure on that, but there regs actually favor diesels).

    The downside
    1)TD in the USA would be more expensive than small gasoline motors- at least $1500 more- lotta EPA regs, plus turbo and fancier fuel injection system are expensive.
    2)TD give up a little of their mpg advantage in the USA by having to blow raw fuel into the exhaust to burn soot particles in the soot trap. There is a mechanical sort of filter in the exhaust to "catch soot"- it has to be cleared every so often(so it doesn't plug up exhaust- the way it is currently cleared is to burn the soot by blowing in fuel(and O2 from CC- diesels run very lean so plenty of O2 left unused). On the big motors this isn't a big deal-though some folks clain their 2007 Duramax isn't as FE as earlier Duramax.The newest Ford Powerstroke does- by many accounts- get better FE than older models of Powerstrokes.
    3) In pure city driving the Prius beats TDs- it beats those Euro TDs- beats the VW TDs.

    In pure hy the Prius BEATS the VWs TD we have here.This has nothing to do with it being a hybrid- it is because it is aero cleaner- lower CD +lower frontal area- it has a tiny bit t do with it being a "5 stroke"- which is just a fancy way of saying it has 13/1 exhaust expansion ratio (extracts more usable energy) but effectively 8/1 compression ratio(by leaving intake open longer and pushing intake charge back out of cylinder so it doesn't have 13/1 compression to do work on.
    Some- many- of the Euro and Asian small car TDs will beat a Prius in HY mpg- by maybe 5 mpg or so- maybe even 10 mpg more(50 mpg vs 60 mpg at 65 mph). GM makes a Zafira(Vaxhall I think)- mini minivan- gets about 50 mpg hy holds 6 people- it is a little 4cyl TD.
    Another downside-GMs own Cruze- one of them- is EPA rated 42 mpg- this means it get AN HONEST 50 MPG AT A STEADY 62-65 MPH!!! It sells for $17,000!! Yes a 4 cyl TD would get maybe 5-10 mpg more, but diesel is about 15% more expensive and would cost $2000 more to buy?? Yes, the TD will beat it by maybe 30% in city FE- but once again we pay a 15-20% diesel premium for fuel, and $2000 for the TD itself??

    Spark motors and hybrids are so good, so cheap that it will be tough to justify paying more for a diesel car.

    Oh the "Prius worse for environment than Hummer" is completely incorrect. It is an often repeated lie (no not calling the OP a liar calling the shills that wrote the "Dust to Dust" "study" liars).It is mainly based on a lie about the nickle in the Prius battery packs.The entire pack weighs just 90 lbs- lotta that is plastic and other "stuff"- All that nickle is recyclable- easily recyclable- it is valuable, so it is recycled.Do you really think the material in a Prius- 3000 lbs is that different from the materials in a Hummer(5500 lbs+)- only difference is a bit more nickle and rare earth metals( easily recyclable since it is expensive)(plenty of nickle in Hummers- steel etc- but much more steel and aluminum and plastic in Hummers)
    Small 4 cyl TDs get great mpg, but little spark motored cars are cheaper to buy, and hybrids still beat them in overall MPG. Hybrid diesels- really expensive- but they do add some to fuel economy- are some in the works in Europe.2 more Hybrids- like GMs 2 mode-can get spectacular city and Hy FE- no hy hybrid disadvantage like Toyota's HSD system- but more expensive.Toyota's HSD system has an inherent hy disadvantage because it "requires" some mechanical electrical mechanical energy transfer instead of just using all mechanical energy for ICE to drive the wheels.It requires that the electric motors do some work at hy speeds.Faster you go more of this inefficient mode.This is the whole point of GMs 2 mode hy- you can drive the wheels at Hy speeds without making extra electrical energy.chemical>mechanical not chemical> electrical> mechanical.
    GM's system(developed with some Europeans- maybe BMW or MB) can actually tow(this is why Toyota doesn't have Hybrid pickups the HSD system has proven hard to scale up for pickups that tow).
    GMs system is very good- BUT VERY EXPENSIVE. With more expensive fuel- maybe $6/gal it will make more sense(GM charges about $7000 more to buy it).They -GM- can easily adapt it to diesel- it came from that technology I think (hybrid buses )
    Yeah GM might eventually do OK with their hybrid electrical cars- (Volt)- and Hybrids and Diesel pickups/ maybe diesel SUVs again .They will take a short term hit- in 1/2 ton sales of pickups and SUVs- with higher fuel prices- but they are in better shape than they were in 2008.
    The Volt won't make much money, but it is just first of a family of cars that will get us off foreign energy(foreign oil).Well use home made electricity from coal and wind- for much of our personal transportation needs- and home pumped oil for our liquid fuel- some home drilled natural gas also.
    Battery packs will get cheaper-Volts BP cost GM about $10,000 now - it will be maybe 1/3 that "someday".
    Yeah,I'm a full on MPG nut- 1998 1/2 ton Suburban(215,700 miles- 21,000 mine last 4 years) 2006 Prius. GM trucks response very very well to motor on trans in D Pulse and Glide(mpg technique for city driving).Some more extreme hypermilers do motor off glides- it is kinda crazy, but each to his own.With motor on pulse and glide a 2007 and later Suburban can get 20 mpg in city trips once the motor is warmed up.Mine(5.7 2wd) gets 18 mpg once warm.
    Charlie

    PS For actual WORK PICKUPS SUVs that tow - TDs have a HUGE MPG advantage-no question about that- better mpg and better tow acceleration.Of course GMs small blocks spark motors are very good and much cheaper to buy and maintain , so..... you have to "do the math" when deciding what to buy.If you tow heavy and often-TD is it- unless you are an extreme cheapskate, and don't do the towing yourself.Still Hard to beat a SBC for overall "goodness cheapness to maintain."
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2011
  20. DAREDEVIL

    DAREDEVIL New Member

    You do know that you can run VEGGIE OIL in a diesel ???

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