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Discussion in 'The Coffee Shop ~ Chit Chat' started by 07XCSB, May 3, 2012.

  1. Coach24

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    But isn't a Prius a foreign car manufacturer? It isn't GM is it? Why doesn't GM have a reliable high mileage vehicle, That is also affordable
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  2. SurrealOne

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    Because GM, like other manufacturers, invested in oil companies when it diversified.
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  3. moogvo

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    Ummm... Toyotas are built in the USA. GM has assembly plants outside the USA. ALL of the GM assembly plants use parts that have been sourced from other countries.

    GM DOES make "affordable" fuel efficient cars, just like Toyota makes fuel drinking V8 pickup trucks. I wouldn't consider the Prius to be a cheap, entry level commuter car. When we bought ours, they were priced a lot more than comparably equipped Camrys and Corollas. In fact, I believe that for the same money, we could have taken home nicely equipped V8 full size pickup with an impressive amount of bells, whistles and whizbangs.

    I am a Chevy truck guy to the core, but I have to be honest here and say that I have driven the Toyota truck offerings. In my opinion, their fit and finish is far better than ANY American branded truck ever built. They are tight, powerful and comfortable. their specifications are second to none.
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    Stock Toyota's are also better than pretty much any stock domestic Chevy/Ford/Dodge for getting into and off of leases for the oil and gas industry out here.

    I have seen stock Tundras power through slop that jacked up domestics get bogged down in.

    Don't get me wrong, I am Chevy 'till the casket drop. But some of the stuff I have seen the Toyotas do is amazing.
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    GM has the new Spark going to get one first chance I get:no:
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  6. moogvo

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    What? .
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    2013 Chevrolet Spark
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  8. the phantom

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    Ha! That looks like a 3cyl jukebox rollerskate.. I would hate to see what are trucks would do to that and the occupants if it ran a red light.
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  9. moogvo

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    Isnt that the one that blows packing peanuts out of the steering wheel in an accident? I think it comes standard with side curtain ziplock bags too.

    That's just one though. Don't you need one for each foot?
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  10. SurrealOne

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    You just made an unfair comparison -- comparing an alternative energy/efficiency vehicle to others that are not, as it has technology in it the others do not. Compare apples to apples, please. Compare the cost of the Prius to the Leaf or the Volt. In a more fair comparison such as this, the Prius IS the cheap alternative energy/efficiency commuter vehicle of the three.
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  11. moogvo

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    The reality is that the Camry and Corolla get impressive fuel economy numbers and are more affordable than the Prius. I wasn't necessarily doing a comparison shootout between them. If one had good sense, they would forgo the Prius in favor of a gasoline powered compact. the extra costs associated with the hybrid are not worth it in the end.
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  12. giorge

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    I have a 3500 dually and I don't complain about my mileage, I get any where from 15 to 20 mpg and I don't bitch about the mileage. But I do bitch about the price of diesel. Trade in on a Honda, a Honda won't pull my boat to the lake! Oh wait I do also have a Honda Accord and it won't pull my boat. I haven't tried but it worked my poor Avalanche, so it would probably kill my Honda.

    OK now I feel better!
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  13. Coach24

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    LMNBO. good point. Well taken and I am sure that felt good. Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!Lol
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  14. giorge

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    I just couldn't resist! :happy:
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  15. SurrealOne

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    And this gets back to my original assertion ... that car manufacturers diversified and that diversification included investment in oil companies (if they were smart, it did, anyway). So really it's not in their overall best interests to make alternative energy/efficient vehicles affordable, thus, they don't.
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  16. moogvo

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    Of course they did! They would have been foolish not to. I wrote a blog someplace about cars, oil companies and why Hybrids are a poor excuse at an attempt to convince auto buyers that they are trying to do something about economical cars and the price of fuel. They can't make them "too good" or else they will shoot themselves in the foot... That was pretty much the crux of it.
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  17. dsfloyd

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    That may be a good way to convince my wife I need a tune for the truck:great:. I get close to 12 and I drive nice and easy. but I also bought a commuter because of gas prices.

    ---------- Post added at 04:17 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:14 PM ----------

    And if you have a 401k chances are you may be invested in oil too:gasp: or should be:lol:
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  18. Sierraowner5.3

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    heck, some european diesels get 50+ with a manual. seems to me some americans need to get over their aversion to diesel. bio diesel is very doable. i think its something that needs to get looked at.

    Alex
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  19. dsfloyd

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    its not just americans aversion to diesel. blame the environmentalists who cant make up their mind on what they want, and a lot of the pollution controls that are mandated in areas decrease mileage. Trust me I know I'm stuck in the communist state of Kalifornia, which went gungho on getting rid of diesel powered cars until just recently.
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  20. Coach24

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    Diesel has many advantages and the oil companies jumped on board to increase the cost of diesel fuel. Diesel historically has always been 50 cents cheaper than unleaded and sometimes greater. The movement of truck owners to buy diesel powered trucks for many reason, but fuel savings at the forefront,caught the oil companies eyes and through collusion have made diesel the higher priced fuel as of late.
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