Lack of maintenance! What is wrong with people?

Discussion in 'The Coffee Shop ~ Chit Chat' started by Pikey, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. Pikey

    Pikey Moderator Staff Member

    I have a few family members and friends that do absolutely no maintenance on their vehicles. (other than occasional oil changes). They always complain when a brake job cost them $400-$500 because they need rotors, calipers, and pads. I have a friend that bought a car new and never did anything other than oil changes. After 2 years she had to put front tires on it. The next year she put rears on it. She never rotated them so now she needs fronts again. Another friend had new tires put on his car a year ago. He kept having rim leak issues, so the tire shop convinced him that he needed new rims because the rust was causing "micro perforations", so he bought factory rims and new tires for the car. Then complained that he spent over $1000 in a year and wants to trade it in because it has 90,000 miles on it. (Oh No!) I do not understand how people think that they can just drive and never do anything to maintain their vehicle. It drives me nuts. Don't change spark plugs, buy a new car! My brakes squeak, oh well, It still stops. I just changed plugs out on a 08 explorer with 180,000 miles. The plugs were never changed before. (I was worried about pulling a @Conlan Rose ,broken plug!lol) The specified gap was .050-.052, My gap gauge goes to .095 and the gap on the removed plugs was larger than that. The electrodes were eroded to sharp pointy knife edges. The owner asked me to do a trans service. I told him no way. It was never done before I am not touching it now. I just don't get how people think that cars are like razors, disposable. Either they have the money to waste on a new car every few years or they just don't care. I had a another friend who sold his car that was 6 years old with 80,000 miles because the fuel pump went out. (the theory was, when one thing goes everything starts going) He practically paid the shop to take the car off his hands. The shop still uses it as a loaner car 5 years later! Sorry about the rant, I have just seen so much of this in the last 2 weeks.
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  2. RayVoy

    RayVoy Active Member

    Pikey's getting rid of all his 2012 frustrations :rofl: :rofl:


    Happy New Year, my friend.
  3. Kady

    Kady New Member

    Those, of course, are the people who always pity themselves and say they have "Bad Luck." My sister does the same thing, I gave her one of my cars in the past that I maintained meticulously. I told her when I handed over the keys to just go get the brake pads done... 1 year later, she complained to me that I gave her a junk car, etc, because now she needed rotors too... After neglecting that car for long another, she bought a new trailblazer. I don't even think she got the oil changed in it for the first year. it makes me sick when she complains that she has such bad luck with cars, because it her fault that she does... /rant...
  4. Pikey

    Pikey Moderator Staff Member

    [MENTION=24589]Kady[/MENTION], I have seen that many times also. My father has given very well maintained, well running cars to people and they last a year or maybe 2 because they don't do anything to them.
  5. Conlan Rose

    Conlan Rose Super Moderator

    I may have spent a lot this year on my truck, but it was all on maintnence that the former owner should have preformed. Cars are built to last about 10 years or 250,000 miles. (Ford trucks are built to last 5 years or 150,000 miles) But most people get a new car every 5 years because they don't want to pay for repairs. I spend $800+ on a brake job, that brake job also included replacing my rear axle seals, milling my rotors, new front and rear pads and one new drum liner. I spend $500 on preventative maintenance once (tranny flush, fuel system cleaning, and A/C tune up). Soon I will need new tires which cost $175 per tire. Unfortunately all my major maintenance intervals and repairs are falling at the same time, but I"m not getting rid of my truck because once finished it'll be ready for another 200,000 miles before new major problems.

    A properly maintained Chevy truck can reach over 1,000,000 miles with is factory engine. Its been done many times. I wish people knew the value of a vehicle.
    [MENTION=51590]Pikey[/MENTION] thanks for reminding me :rofl:. My new plugs are meant to last 100,000 miles, I will pull them at 30,000 to make sure they will come out and then I'll put them back and do the same at 60,000 and then replace at 90,000 just to make sure I don't have to pay 300 to have a broken plug removed.....
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  6. rileyjr16

    rileyjr16 New Member

    As soon as my truck gets up here, its getting new plugs, new air filter, oil change, new brake pads, maybe even a new transfer case (if I can ever find one :grrrrrr:), and other odds and ends necessary to it running, and running right. Maybe even a performance item here and there. Getting kinda bored staying here on base.
  7. Pikey

    Pikey Moderator Staff Member

    I soaked the crap out of them for a few hours with PB blaster.
  8. Conlan Rose

    Conlan Rose Super Moderator

    I think that should be a lesson to every one. If it doesn't move and it is suppose to use as much WD-40, PBlaster, or any other penetration oil as you can and let it soak. That's how you take exhaust bolts off. I went through a whole can of WD-40 and Marvel penetration oil just to remove the exhaust cross over pipe from the header.
  9. SurrealOne

    SurrealOne Former Member

    This is so true. I need to meet a woman like Kady or Amac or GMCErica -- i.e. one who understands maintenance, is ok with a boy spending time in the garage doing boy things (at least she'd know where I am, right?!), and most of all, doesn't make her own 'bad luck'.
  10. Pikey

    Pikey Moderator Staff Member

    I guess that I got lucky in that department. Before the kids came my wife and I would do brake jobs together, She did one side and I did the other. Same with oil changes, she would drop the oil and filter while I greased. It is nice that when I say something needs done to one of our vehicles she has no problem with it. She might question why I am doing something, usually to educate herself. She knows that a job always takes longer then planned. Especially on the last two used trucks that I purchased. Of course doing a brake job on a newly acquired truck I will find something that I do not like. She knows that I am not going to just slap new pads in and be done, I am going to make another trip to the parts store and fix it right. Sometimes she makes the part store run or brings me beer while i am working.
  11. moogvo

    moogvo Moderator

    Yesterday, I was on my out to buy some building materials to assemble my kids' play house. On my way out, my wife said "Isn't your truck due for an oil change? Stop at the parts store and get what you need while you are out. Is there anything else you need for your truck?"

    I told her that I needed a blower motor. She said "Then get that while you are there."

    My wife NEVER gives me any crap about vehicle maintenance... Mine or hers. Shoot... I can't tell you how many times she came to me on a Friday night and told me that I had to have her Prius at the Toyota dealer the next morning at 7. She makes the appointments and reminds me to maintain the vehicles on her own.
  12. Conlan Rose

    Conlan Rose Super Moderator

    My girlfriend is clueless of maintenance that's why she has me.. Actually almost every one I know up here has no clue about how to maintain a vehicle.... Every one asks me, girls and guys alike. "Hey, Conlan how often should i change my oil? I changed it 9 months ago." :surprised: This happens often....
  13. RayVoy

    RayVoy Active Member

    My 3 daughters are great, all did their own maintenance, didn't mind getting their hands dirty, they would ask for advice before they started, now they only call when they get in over their head. My wife, hmmmm, might break a nail.
  14. Frenchie

    Frenchie New Member

    Best wishes for the new year!:party:

    Well, here in France we take care of American cars!
    As the configuration of roads is different from those of the USA, we must take care of automatic gearboxes.

    With TB 02, the gearbox is drained every 70,000 Km, the filter is also changed. For engine oil (5W30), same thing every 10000 km. The fact that this vehicle is equipped with LPG must also maintain this part (Spark and vaporiser). Brake pads and tires are replaced every 95,000 km

    This vehicle, manufactured in Moraine (Ohio), eleven years old and 235,000 km and only the front drive shafts were replaced, the rest is completely original. His conduct in France is not a problem of maintenance.

    Simply follow the maintenance log.:rules:

    Best regards.



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  15. Jamm3r

    Jamm3r New Member

    Thinking philosophically about this, it has been a major goal of all the automakers to widen the maintenance intervals and, to the extent feasible, build a car that doesn't require anything but oil changes and tires during its first 6-7 years.

    The extent to which they have been able to achieve this is, strictly from a standpoint of engineering, remarkable. Socially though it has hastened the overall loss of interest in cars. I think that the trend toward independent repair shops being replaced by dealerships and large corporate and franchise repair operations, where you talk to a "service adviser" not a mechanic, has accelerated the loss of interest in maintenance, because "service advisers" both under- and over- recommend preventative maintenance depending on what makes them money.

    I now routinely replace rotors, calipers, and hoses at every brake job. With the road salt I've had too many problems with calipers sticking, and given the hassle and expense of having rotors turned and uncertain results vs. the relatively low cost of replacement I don't think there's any juice in reusing them. I don't think there's any way around this through more frequent maintenance.

    On a 4x4, of course, you have to replace tires in sets of 4 or 5 and you have to rotate.

    With 2wd cars the benefits of rotation are less clear because there's no real penalty for replacing tires on just one axle.

    The main thing I agree with here is that there is a great deal of folklore out there and people don't really understand the tradeoff between maintenance and replacement. I believe that the root cause is the shortage of truly trustworthy shops that people who have little or no understanding of cars can rely upon for maintenance.
  16. Kady

    Kady New Member

    We are a rare bread my friend! And most guys that meet girls like us, they don't know what to do with or how to handle us... haha. :)
  17. SurrealOne

    SurrealOne Former Member

    Yes. Yes, you are.
  18. Kady

    Kady New Member

    But fortunately, I have a boyfriend who knows how to handle me. But I'm ashamed to say, sometimes I know more than him about his own truck. :-/ Although, he's not afraid to ask me my opinions and what I think about each situation. He's usually good about fixing something when its broken, but sometimes had too much in his head from work to always remember the maintenance.

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    I try to educate some of the girls i know, and to teach them about stuff... But I while i talk/explain/show, they have shopping in the back of their minds.
  19. The Heater

    The Heater New Member

    There are always going to be people who don't do maintenance on their cars and trade them in 60,000 miles later, having never changed the oil. So what? You have no control over other people, places or things so why let it bother you?
  20. stchman

    stchman New Member

    I've been fortunate to be able to afford new trucks rather than having to buy somebody's problems.

    I change the oil at 1000 miles (break in) and ever 5K with Mobil 1 5-30 and I ALWAYS use an AC Delco oil filter. Frams oil filters are JUNK. I then change the other fluids/items as they need to be changed:

    Differential - 50K
    Auto trans - 75K
    Coolant - 75K
    Brake fluid - 75K
    Power steering fluid - I just suck out the reservoir every year and fill it back up.
    Spark plugs - 75K
    Clean the K&N every 20K miles.
    Rotate tires front to back every 6K miles.

    Front brakes on the Silverado are easy to change, the rear drums can usually last ~100K miles then I take them to a brake shop (I don't get along with drum brakes).

    Heck I used to have a 2001 Explorer that gave me no problems, and that was a Ford.

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