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Nissan: Is it a Leaf or a weenie in disguise?

Discussion in 'The Coffee Shop ~ Chit Chat' started by Caddiac, Jul 21, 2011.

  1. Caddiac

    Caddiac New Member

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    I signed up to be on the reservation list last year for a Nissan Leaf. The $100 down fully refundable deposit, meant that I would get priority. I have been told that by summers end I would be able to order one.

    Today I received an email from Nissan telling me I could order my 2012 Leaf (all electric) next week. Read between the lines and the fine print and it looks like if I live in the right state and hold my mouth right I might be able to lease one. Looks like the big announcement was that they sold out of the 2011, added a bunch of optional equipment as standard, and raised the price.

    So anyway, l go to the website and logged in and it shows the steps in the purchase process which when I clicked on the next step, it just told me what that step would be - uh duh! An hour or so later, I cannot click on those steps and see anything.

    So what do you guys think. Are the marketing folks morons that are in the process of really pissing me off, will I get told I can lease the car rather than buy other wise I can continue to wait to purchase? Crap I should have put this in the pole forum!

    1) Am I going to be happy next week?
    2) Am I going to be pissed off next week?
    3) Are they trying to screw me over next week?
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  2. Enkeiavalanche

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    Go get a Volt.... If you can't in your area come here to NJ/NY and get it.. I am seeing them all over now..
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    I vote for 4. They've been screwing with you since last year.:rofl:
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    I would say pissed. And it's hard to compare the leaf to the volt cause the volt still has gas motor.
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  5. Caddiac

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    Well I called Nissan and sent them a e-mail and as Bernadette Peters would say "Its twoo, Its twoo!" I should be able to place my order in the next couple of weeks. They have an interesting process - one that is much more sophisticated than GM did with the Volt. It is driven by the fact that the Leaf is totally electric rather than GM lacks imagination, though they did. I say that because I was a member on the website for the Volt, ask questions, posted etc. I even went to another site and signed up on the "waiting list" just to show GM the support they had for the Volt. But they did like they always do and it was first come, first serve, at the dealership which could stick it too you on the price if they wanted. And yet the Leaf that came out 2 months later, is going to be available in my area long before the Volt, my reservation gives me priority on delivery in this area and the only difference in the price on the web page and what the dealer will expect is tax, title, tags and destination charges.

    The best part is based on the calculations I have seen it should cost me around $1.98 to 60 miles. I am skeptical to think that it could be that cheap to power but I guess I will know soon!
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  6. stephan

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    So is it going to be a lease or will the mo fos actually let you buy it?
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  7. Caddiac

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    I can buy it. I have no interest in leasing since the miles that I drive would easily exceed what their lease is going to allow. I really wanted the Chevy but the Leaf is going to be a better Choice for me I THINK. There are two very different approaches to the future going on here and it will be interesting to watch it unfold.
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  8. Caddiac

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    UPDATE: Well I did it! I ordered the Leaf today. Technically they call it a "Price Request" but that is what starts the clock ticking for delivery of the car. Tax credits should bring the price down under $30K. The cost of my commute should drop by about $200 per month. Excluding the oil changes and other maintenance which is not required on an electric car. Not to mention the Suburban's life will be extended. A used Burb equipped like mine can be had for the mid-30s. But then the higher maintenance costs and cost to operate.

    Any way, that is the logic I used to justify my purchase. And if the range is too tight with my highway commute, I have plan B.
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  9. Caddiac

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    Received delivery information on my car. Should be here in December. First dealer in Shelby NC jerked me around and cost me a week or so in getting it ordered. They finally told me they did not sell the car. What a bunch of moron's. So I have it coming from Nissan of Greer. The dealership closest to my home sold me a Seville STS and then caused a big ruckus with GM on a warranty claim. Needless to say I would not buy from them.
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  10. Als09Sierra

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    Congrats on the order. What color did you order?
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  11. Caddiac

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    White. Dark colors get hot in the direct sun. Since I will be most concerned about cooling and its effect on range, I went white.
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    Makes sense. Keep us posted. I hope this works out for you. Still trying to convince the wife to get a Volt.
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  13. phoebeisis

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    $2 for 60 miles sounds about right.
    I spend time on a mpg forum-clean mpg-and Leaf owners seem happy enough.
    I think they use about 300 watt hrs per mile at 60 mph -so roughly 3 cents per mile at 10 cents per KWHr-or just as you guessed-$1.98 60 miles.
    60 pure highway miles with my Suburban-1998 2wd- would take 3 gallons-roughly $11
    The Volt- on just elecricity- uses maybe 75 WATT HRS more per mile I think.Maybe 300 for Leaf 375 for Volt- but the Volt is more versatile(spelled wrong??)
    On gasoline 60 mph the Volt gets about 38 mpg is my memory- not spectacular, but not bad either.A Cruze would beat that by a little-so would a Civic or a Corolla
    A 25mpg city car would cost about 375/25 or 15 cents per mile-$3.75 gas-so even if it -the Volt uses 500 watt hrs per mile- it is just 5-6 cents per mile with 10-12 cent electricity.The Volt would on ly use 500watt hrs per mile at a very high-80mph- speed
    Our electricity NOLA- is about 11 cents per KWHr now(natural gas and NUKE generated)
    Saving 10 cents per mile is $10,000 per 100,000 miles
    Charlie
    PS Of course A Suburban is much more versatile than an economy car.We have one economy car-Prius-and the 1998 Suburban(bought used-cheap-$2950) 4.5 years and 21,000 miles ago.The Prius was $26000 - Tax credit= not cheap.The Suburban has taken maybe 1400 gallons-$5000 or so in fuel
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  14. Caddiac

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    Yea you can buy a lot of gas for what a new, more economic car will cost. LOL I am taking the approach that I am going to save money on fuel and extend the life of my Suburban. If I replaced it with a 2 year old used one similarly equipped, it would cost around what I am paying for the Leaf. But the cost to operate that new suburban would be not much different that my 98. At the rate I am currently piling the miles on my Burb, I will top 300K miles in the next two years.
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    So the dealer called me and said they had a demo and would like for me to come drive it. I drove the Nissan Leaf yesterday and it was unbelievable. I kept saying, I can't believe this is an electric car.

    I remain a steadfast GM supporter. But if you get a chance to drive the Leaf, take it. It will change the way you think about automobiles!

    Mine is due to arrive in Mid December.
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  16. ChevyFan

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    Wow December?

    I'm gonna start an electric car forum, you should join. :)
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  17. Caddiac

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    I will be your charter member. Not a whole lot of maintenance though. You change the cabin air filter like every 30 k miles. The coolant (used to cool the motor and battery it helps also with heating the car I am told), every 125K miles then every 75 k miles. The battery gets checked once a year and they check the gear reducer oil level (no tranny, just a single reduction gear box).

    I just hope I live to see the day when I can buy a fully electric Suburban with towing capacity. It would have to have an on board nuclear reactor which has its advantages. If you looked in your review mirror and saw the international symbol for nuclear energy with a Chevy bowtie super imposed on it, you would get the hell out of the way wouldn't you? Just don't get that response on the interstates these days...................
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  18. Als09Sierra

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    Aaandd we're back to a previous thread of clearing traffic with WMD. I like it because you won't hear the Burb coming, but you'll certainly see it. BTW - I saw a pic of a Leaf in Popular Mechanics this month, but it's a racing version. Looks pretty cool, but I couldn't find it online. They may delay the articles online by a month. They do have a Volt long term test drive update. Pretty good ratings, but about 30 miles to a charge.
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    I heard about a race the Leaf was in where it was a race up a mountain or something. The plan was that the leaf was going to do it IN REVERSE. The leaf has a single reduction gear box - no tranny. So it can go as fast backwards as it can forwards. I saw this on leaf website but I never could find an announcement whether they won, lost, or misplaced the balls it would take to fly up the side of a mountain backwards! LOL

    Contractor coming today to install my charger. Normally about $2,500 for charger and installation, my local utility is furnishing it under a limited pilot program. They monitor my use of the charger for 3 years and then if I want to keep it, I pay $400.
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    Car delivery moved up to the week of Thanksgiving. I have experimented with different routes to work that involve more rural roads and less interstate. Instead of 40 interstate and 20 rural roads it is going to be about 30 interstate and 30 rural roads. That means I can charge to 80% as opposed to 100% and extend the battery life. Suburban seems to like it too. Slower speeds mean less fuel. Interstate 85 in the upstate of South Carolina is not conducive to going the posted speed limit of 65 mph! Timing could not be better as the rear main seal needs replacing, the starter is acting up and a few other minor issues that need attention.
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