The creeping loss of the 4x4 offroad experience

Discussion in 'The Coffee Shop ~ Chit Chat' started by Jamm3r, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. jsmith4816

    jsmith4816 Rockstar 4 Years 100 Posts

    I would agree with the sport dieing. Here is west Michigan, you can't offroad on state land, but you can on private. The best trails are state land though lol. You also cannot ride a atv or dirt bike on the public snowmobile trails. My dad and I were pulled over by a conservation officer and he said that "it destroys wildlife". Told us too get them in the truck or he will take them. So if I want to ride, I've gotta go to the track or go a few hours north where there are trails that you can ride.

    With all the new side by sides coming out, I don't see the sport picking back up
  2. Jamm3r

    Jamm3r Member 2 Years 100 Posts

    I agree that the more extreme side of the sport is doing just fine -- people show their trucks and compete in organized events, which is all great.

    What seems to have disappeared, here at least, is the street legal trail riding rig with a modest lift, suitable tires, lights, and maybe a winch. They used to be common.
  3. mfleetwood

    mfleetwood Epic Member 5+ Years ROTM Winner 5000 Posts

    I haven't noticed anything changing in Colorado. I mostly off-road on National Forest property (public), which covers a significant amount of land and old mining trails, ghost towns, areas around the Continental Divide, etc. There are many off-road organizations that help repair, restore, and modify trails, so it really keeps a lot of the environmentalist happy for the most part. They also provide services on private property for those that are kind enough to let us drive through.
  4. ahmitchell1

    ahmitchell1 Rockstar 4 Years ROTM Winner 1000 Posts

    In Georgia and Alabama I have actually seen a lot more mud Boggs showing up. I doubt the huge truck scene will every die around here. And if your ever in north ga n think your truck can go thru anything, stop by. I got a giant pit of Georgia red clay and a Deere to get you out of it
  5. bowaddict13

    bowaddict13 Member

    ya im in michigan also and abou 2 mile from my home there is a mudd bogg almost every other weekend it seems also i have always driven on my property ,, in some places so much that iv had to take the cat out there and fill in some spots ..between my truck and the wifes lifted jeep we are never at a lose of spot to play she also belongs to her own jep club and they do wekkend trips all over michigan seems every other week they are always playing in a new mudd hole .
  6. Enkeiavalanche

    Enkeiavalanche Loving the Outdoors Staff Member 5+ Years ROTM Winner 5000 Posts

    Well as some of you know I am very involved with SEMA and get emails and letter and Mags all the time and when I do have the time I read them.. Here is some News you might want to read..

    Forest Service Planning Rule
    The U.S. Forest Service updated its Planning Rule, which provides guidance and directives for managing the country’s 155 national forests and 20 grasslands encompassing 193 million acres. The courts have rejected previous versions of the Planning Rule in recent years. SEMA joined with a number of other organizations representing the off-road community in opposing the latest version on grounds that it does not adequately protect access for motorized recreation and will be a source of ongoing litigation. The issue is of importance to SEMA-member companies that market products to the off-road community based on the consumers’ ability to have access to Forest Service roads and trails. Forest managers will now begin applying the rule’s guidelines as they gradually update management rules for each individual forest and grassland.

    Bonneville Salt FlatsThe U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM) approved a final Environmental Assessment (EA) for replenishing salt to the Bonneville Salt Flats (BSF). The BLM adopted the approach recommended by SEMA and other organizations that are members of the Save the Salt Coalition. The EA requires a permanent replenishment program that guarantees the same quantity and quality of salt is returned to the BSF as is removed under an existing potash mining lease agreement. The mining company has already exceeded the EA requirements, pumping nearly 1 million tons of salt onto the BSF over the past two years without removing any salt from the same area. SEMA and the coalition are now pursuing a public fundraising campaign to go beyond simple replenishment so that the BSF can be restored with millions of tons of additional salt necessary to achieve the goal. All contributions will be used to purchase salt and the equipment necessary to pump, transport and lay down the salt.

    Save Johnson Valley
    SEMA has recommended that the U.S. Marines Corps secure special-use permits from the BLM when conducting troop maneuvers within Johnson Valley, California, rather than take ownership of the land as part of an expanded Twentynine Palms base. The BLM land is a designated off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation area and site of “King of the Hammers” and other OHV events throughout the year. The Marines need access to Johnson Valley for less than two months a year but are seeking ownership rights from the BLM for 56% of the land (147,000 acres). The Marines have proposed providing limited access to only 40,000 acres of that land for OHV activities during 10 months of the year. Any land transfer requires Congressional approval. Congress is considering legislation that will require the Marines to study alternative ways to share the land with the OHV community, potentially to include special permits. The Johnson Valley off-road area draws at least 200,000 visitors annually and may generate as much as $191 million annually into the economy.​
  7. csltrains96

    csltrains96 Rockstar 100 Posts

    Out here in Oregon we have issues with the "Protected Wetlands" issues as well. I work with a fellow whose father was told that he couldn't grow crops on one of his own pieces of farm land because it was determined that wetlands species of grasses and reeds were growing on it. If he tried to plow up the land they would have him arrested for destroying wetlands.

    It has gotten totally out of control.
  8. The Heater

    The Heater Rockstar 100 Posts


    Land use laws have been around for the entire history of this country. Yes, you can be told what to do on your own land if there is a dominant public interest like wetland preservation. Without going into the history or philosophy behind wetland regulations, suffice it to say that this is not the only area of regulation that can impact your use of your own property.

    To get back to the topic, around here people offroad on mainly privately held land, not public land. Some of it constitutes trespassing, as there are plenty of off road trails on remote property held by public utilities and timber companies. Sometimes people are caught and prosecuted.

    Back in the 1960's and 1970's (I graduated from high school in 1974) you saw people driving off road on lots of privately owned property that was so vast and undeveloped that the owner just did not care because they had no plans to develop the property. It has not been so much the government that has reduced off road vehicle areas in my opinion, it is the enforcement of trespassing laws by private property owners and the continued creep of urban development into areas previously considered "remote".

    Yes, wetlands use regulations sometimes are a bugger for the private property owner, but mostly due to restrictions that impact use of portions of land that the developer wants to build homes or buildings. On the other hand, preservation of wetlands, even on residential property, does have a very practical and beneficial purpose for the community as a whole and for mankind. It just depends on your ego. If your ego is so big that you feel you are the center of the universe and you want things to go your way all the time, then you don't like this type of law. If you are a team player and you look at the big picture, you may not like these laws, but you go along with them and maybe just cuss to your neighbors or family about it. Or you do something useful with your anger and spend time at the county or city council meetings and get up to the microphone and state your case.

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