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The WH has announced that both GM and Ford has agreed to step up and start making resperators. With that being said, if I get sick, PLEASE do NOT put me on a Ford respirator,,,, PlEASE!!!!!!!
 

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The WH has announced that both GM and Ford has agreed to step up and start making resperators. With that being said, if I get sick, PLEASE do NOT put me on a Ford respirator,,,, PlEASE!!!!!!!
Is that 'Turbo' or no Turbo ? And what about a EcoBoost ventilator ? This whole episode is total BS !
 

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JT, are you saying this virus is make believe?
Oh No Ray, it's for real. but I think if we just wait it out it'll be gone by June. I realize that seems like a long time, but the coronavirus doesn't read a watch and has its own timing, but since we're already practicing "social distancing" (What a unfortunate name) and there have been so many deaths and counting. We do need to keep ourselves indoors and safe. I know it's a burden, a big burden, for so many and with money tight but it's like going into a huge forest, you can only go halfway, cause at this point we are now leaving the center and walking to the other side and other side. It's going to take patience and a lot of it. We need to stop watching the news, all it's about is the Coronavirus day after day. You already know all there is to know about the situation. turn off the Tv and read a book or something that takes your mind off of it. I live south of Philadelphia, the epicenter for all of the Ambulance chasing lawyers of America. And I expect to hear of the lawsuits rising from someone who feels 'Injured' by someone else coughing or put upon by the/a store owners who allowed too many people in a store at once, or some other BS pretty soon.

I don't want any of my friends here to get or be put at risk of this virus. We can do this, it's just a change in habits. Now Kenny and New Orleans, Louisiana is ground zero. god bless you all. It's real alright, just wish the POTUS would pick one frame of mind and stick with it. First it the greatest enemy, next day he wants it gone by Easter ???? Really, maybe he knows more than I. "But I really only know what I read it the paper" Will Rogers was right again.
 

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I could be wrong about this, I don't think Ford, or GM are actually going to build the respirators. As I understand, they are asking their suppliers to make the parts required and to ship the parts to the companies that actually make respirators.

The reality is, where would GM, or Ford, build respirators, their assembly lines would have to be retooled.
 

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JT, are you saying this virus is make believe?
I don't know if this is the truth or not...... but if you look around the deep ends of the internet the Department of Justice indited 3 Chinese Nationals working in research or something in some high level capacity for (in indirect wording) for stealing this virus, taking it to China and then it got exploited somewhere along the way and that this virus is "possibly" a form of population control.

Again not enough data to make to determine anything either way..... but this actually happened back in January..... It is near the end of March now, but the news just wants to incite panic everywhere.
 

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I don't know if this is the truth or not...... but if you look around the deep ends of the internet the Department of Justice indited 3 Chinese Nationals working in research or something in some high level capacity for (in indirect wording) for stealing this virus, taking it to China and then it got exploited somewhere along the way and that this virus is "possibly" a form of population control.

Again not enough data to make to determine anything either way..... but this actually happened back in January..... It is near the end of March now, but the news just wants to incite panic everywhere.
Ah, No. This was just funneled out that "This" convid19
I don't know if this is the truth or not...... but if you look around the deep ends of the internet the Department of Justice indited 3 Chinese Nationals working in research or something in some high level capacity for (in indirect wording) for stealing this virus, taking it to China and then it got exploited somewhere along the way and that this virus is "possibly" a form of population control.

Again not enough data to make to determine anything either way..... but this actually happened back in January..... It is near the end of March now, but the news just wants to incite panic everywhere.
Well, it seems not, However at this point, I personally think we need to concentrate on the eradication of the damage here now. It seems to me as a really risky thing to transport or try to repurpose a virus as a 'Weapon'. There is no way to keep from infecting yourself, so to intentional modify it, is crazy. Not that it couldn't be done, but to what end?
Sorry, conspiracy theorists. Study concludes COVID-19 'is not a laboratory construct'
KATE HOLLAND
Good Morning AmericaMarch 27, 2020, 5:00 AM EDT

Sorry, conspiracy theorists. Study concludes COVID-19 'is not a laboratory construct'

Sorry, conspiracy theorists. Study concludes COVID-19 'is not a laboratory construct'
Conspiracy theories claiming COVID-19 was engineered in a lab as part of a biological attack on the United States have been gaining traction online in recent weeks, but a new study on the origins of the virus has concluded that the pandemic-causing strain developed naturally.
An analysis of the evidence, according to the findings first published in the scientific journal Nature Medicine, shows that the novel coronavirus "is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," with the researchers concluding "we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."
"There’s a lot of speculation and conspiracy theories that went to a pretty high level," Dr. Robert Garry, a professor at the Tulane University School of Medicine and one of the authors of the study, told ABC News, "so we felt it was important to get a team together to examine evidence of this new coronavirus to determine what we could about the origin."
Tune into ABC at 1 p.m. ET and ABC News Live at 4 p.m. ET every weekday for special coverage of the novel coronavirus with the full ABC News team, including the latest news, context and analysis.
PHOTO: This handout illustration image taken with a scanning electron microscope shows SARS-CoV-2 (yellow)also known as 2019-nCoV, the virus that causes COVID-19isolated emerging from the surface of cells (blue/pink) cultured in the lab. (National Institutes of Health/AFP via Getty Images)

PHOTO: This handout illustration image taken with a scanning electron microscope shows SARS-CoV-2 (yellow)also known as 2019-nCoV, the virus that causes COVID-19isolated emerging from the surface of cells (blue/pink) cultured in the lab. (National Institutes of Health/AFP via Getty Images)
Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health, supported the study’s findings, writing on his blog, "This study leaves little room to refute a natural origin for COVID-19."
Researchers concluded that the novel coronavirus is not a human creation because it does not share any "previously used virus backbone." It likely arose, the study said, from a recombination of a virus found in bats and another virus, possibly originating from pangolins, otherwise known as scaly anteaters.
MORE: Coronavirus live updates: US now leads world with over 82,000 cases
COVID-19 is 96% identical to a coronavirus found in bats, researchers said, but with a certain variation that could explain what has made it so infectious.
"We know from the study of other coronaviruses that they’re able to acquire this [variation] and they can then become more pathogenic," Garry told ABC News. "This is a good explanation as to why this virus is so transmittable and has caused this pandemic."
PHOTO: This handout illustration image taken with a scanning electron microscope shows SARS-CoV-2 (yellow)also known as 2019-nCoV, the virus that causes COVID-19isolated emerging from the surface of cells (blue/pink) cultured in the lab. (Handout/National Institutes of Health/AFP via GettY Images)

PHOTO: This handout illustration image taken with a scanning electron microscope shows SARS-CoV-2 (yellow)also known as 2019-nCoV, the virus that causes COVID-19isolated emerging from the surface of cells (blue/pink) cultured in the lab. (Handout/National Institutes of Health/AFP via GettY Images)
The mutation in surface proteins, according to Garry, could have triggered the outbreak of the pandemic, but it’s also possible that a less severe version of the illness was circulating through the population for years, perhaps even decades, before escalating to this point.
"We don’t know if those mutations were picked up more recently or a long time ago," Garry told ABC News. "It’s impossible to say if it actually was a mutation that triggered the pandemic, but either way, it would have been a naturally occurring process."
And while many believe the virus originated at a fish market in Wuhan, China, Garry said that is also a misconception.
"Our analyses, and others too, point to an earlier origin than that," Garry said. "There were definitely cases there, but that wasn’t the origin of the virus."
 

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IIRC, there was a Harvard Professor mixed up in that whole Wuhan Research issue that PantheraUncia was talking about. That's a real thing, although I do not think it means what some people might think it means.

As far as this SARS-CoV-2 virus is concerned...yes its real. However, so is the regular flu. And here were are, two weeks after the previous post, and we still havent come anywhere near approaching the infection rate for the flu at any time over the last 10 years. Nor have we approached the flu mortality rates of the last 5 years, though that's a closer margin.

I believe in safety. I believe in preparedness. I dont want this. I dont want anyone I know to get this. I wish it on nobody...I am not, however, yet convinced that 40 million (yes, with an M) Americans needed to lose thier jobs and pay or small businesses, over something that does not currently hold a candle to the common flu in terms of sheer numbers.

And please dont come at me with "yeah, but we have a vaccine for the flu, man!" because 1) that vaccine is a relatively new phenomenon and 2) it only works something like 40% - 60% of the time, and they have to source it every year as it mutates.
 

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I am afraid the argument that COVID19 is no worse then the seasonal flu is an old and very tired argument.

A lot more people are dying from COVID19 than from any regular season flu that we have ever encountered in the past.
The deaths are higher and the spread rate is higher.
With the old fashion flu, each infected person will on average infect 1.2 people, that means that 5 people can infect 6 people,
With COVID19, the rate of infection is 3.4, that means that every 5 people can infect 17 people.

They don't even come close to being the same, let alone the regular flu being worse. And, thats without looking at the death rates.

Some people think, and some countries are trying, herd immunity. Will this be effective, I don't know, we'll have to wait for the results to prove one or the other. In the mean time, your president wants America back to work by the end of April and my Prime Minister says there will be no normal until we have a vaccine, and that could take 2 years. There is probably a real world truth between those two extremes.
 

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Some people think, and some countries are trying, herd immunity. Will this be effective, I don't know, we'll have to wait for the results to prove one or the other
It didn't seem to work for Great Britain, they started with the "herd" and switched quickly to "Social Distancing".
 

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"I am afraid the argument that COVID19 is no worse then the seasonal flu is an old and very tired argument. A lot more people are dying from COVID19 than from any regular season flu that we have ever encountered in the past."

Old and tired argument? Well, if the CDC numbers cant be believed then I dont know what to tell you. In the US, 17 thousand have died from COVID19. Regrettable, that's true.

Here's a chart made from CDC and John's Hopkins data. The top line on the chart is a COVID19 number which no longer valid, as the chart was created in early February. However, all the rest of the flu related numbers and the blue bar graphs next to them can be juxtaposed against the COVID19 numbers of the day.

Yes be careful by all means. Just be informed while doing it

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So, Ray, call someone at the CDC if you like. These are thier numbers.
2011-2012, about 12 thousand people in the US died from the flu. Aside from that year, then every year for the last ten years, at least 23 thousand and up to 61 thousand have died.

I dont think there's any room for misinformed argument about those facts.

As for how does it feel and affect someone who gets it? Beyond the numbers I posted, I've heard that it really sucks. I dont want it, nor do I wish it on anyone. Cant wait for this to subside. I'm just saying dont have a cow. Sheer numbers of cases and deaths, at least in the US compares rather weekly to that of the flu. Sorry but those are facts
 

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You can't use data from Fed 2nd and call yourself informed.
To date, 102,700 people have passed away.
The US accounts for 18,700 of those poor souls.
And Thunder, I'm not arguing with data from CDC or from WHO, as I said before you are using data for a flu season that has come and gone and comparing it to a virus that has yet to peak.
You also need to realize that the numbers represent a flu season where life was normal, people worked, hugged, shook hands and gathered as normal in sports arenas, schools and theaters, we have these horrible numbers with everything closed and people at home. And, my friend, it will get a lot worse before it gets better.
Please, stay away from people.
 

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I believe, I've already gotten the Coronavirus back in late December early January because it was flu like symptoms except what made me go to the doctor is I had an abnormal heart beat shortness in breath, tightening of the chest. It lasted 3 minutes so I thought I had a mild stroke of some sort. So, went to the doctor and they couldn't tell me anything. They tested me for the flu, cold, and etc. Even did blood work and everything came back good. They told me that I was healthy except for my cholesterol being high. But, I was also running a fever but the fever was reducing in the doctors office. But, it was crazy because before I got sick I walked in to the office and both of my bosses were sick and then I got sick from being around them. So, I'm under the impression that the coronavirus has been here alot longer then what they say they just couldn't hide it anymore. I also rarely get sick being around people with the flu or any other types of sickness. So, it just seemed odd for me.
 
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