GM Truck Club Forum banner

1 - 20 of 20 Posts

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,886 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
As I have posted on here, we're facing a serious medical issue and I've not been keeping up with the site and my email very well for some time. I just got around to answering old email and something alarming popped up.

Backstory
So, I guess a marketing manager for Chilton's has been trying to manage their products and keep things from being illegally copied and shared online, that's my speculation anyhow. That's cool, I respect that and wish them the best luck in going that. It's not easy and maybe it's a sign of an outdated business model, but I digress.

This person (I have not verified if they are really employed for Chilton's or not) has contacted me asking me to remove this thread due to "giving away free content."

As far as I know, there is nothing in that thread, or the rest of the site, that is a violation of any copyright laws. Am I missing something? Someone posted a link to a library or something, if so then they have a problem with the other website, NOT GMTC. I'm not really even aware of what these links are or what they do.

What to do now?
So, I just today reponded back today asking for more information and clarity on their request, and I would certainly link to know what laws are being violated by GMTC on this issue.

Just be aware that it's possible that forums like this can and do get sued from time to time and this can be very expensive, so I'm just trying to be prepared for all options here.

---------- Post added at 02:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:31 PM ----------

reserved for future post.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
8,623 Posts
As I posted on your other thread about this, the Chilton link was "given" to us by a poster. I don't understand why the onus is on you, GMTC or the posters here for using a free site that was given to us by an unknown entity. Whether is was theirs to give us is an unknown, but I think Chilton should be looking to close the leak in their company, rather than go after the site(s) that it was given to.
I know you have a lot on your plate right now, so if you don't have time to research whether or not it is legal to have the link on here, then just to be on the safe side, take the thread off. We won't miss it, we don't need it & since Ms Jennifer from Chiltons is being so pissy about it, we won't be buying any stinkin Chiltons manuals in the future either ha ha ha
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
3,382 Posts
Just pull the thread Steve. No point in getting in legal trouble and possibly having to close down the site due to a link to Chiltons, either directly or indirectly. We can deal without having access to Chilton's guides on the site if it still means we can have the site.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,979 Posts
Just pull the thread Steve. No point in getting in legal trouble and possibly having to close down the site due to a link to Chiltons, either directly or indirectly. We can deal without having access to Chilton's guides on the site if it still means we can have the site.
X2 there! i prefer the actual tech manuals from GM, better info.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,886 Posts
Discussion Starter #6
They seem to be pretty heavy handed on this though, and pretty misguided, that sort of rubs me the wrong way.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,979 Posts
Oh i hear ya, but how much do people even use the chilton guide thread anymore it really hasnt gone up in numbers that much in the past year. I guess it is even less exposure for them, and less of a reason for anyone on the site to recommend a maint. manual when asked which is prefered.
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
4,781 Posts
The Thread in question (Chilton's link) has been posted for Over 2 year's and they are Just Now raising a issue about the the thread??.....:neutral:

X4.....on just removing the Thread in question......It's Not Worth the problems........We have more than Enough information and/or Knowledge from are Member's here on the Site.....that we don't need the Chilton's link.

 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,886 Posts
Discussion Starter #9
I can't get to anything on any link in that thread. I'm in the dark I guess. Can someone explain to me what link they're fussing about and what harm is being done?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,646 Posts
Pull the thread and be done with it. You don't need the head ache of dealing with them. Members here are resourceful enought to find what they need elsewhere.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,979 Posts
i believe that is it... but it says chilton... sounds about right.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
7,172 Posts
They seem to be pretty heavy handed on this though, and pretty misguided, that sort of rubs me the wrong way.
I agree with you and it rubs me the wrong was as well...that's why I wrote that long winded post, as it was meant for the Chiltons Marketing person who sent you the note - And I hope she reads it!!

However, I am in agreement with others and that is you don't need to be hassled and there probably is some legal/financial risk involved.

I think it should be pulled for now, wait to see their response (if they respond), and if they end up being okay with it, we can start a new thread.

---------- Post added at 09:05 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:55 AM ----------

I can't get to anything on any link in that thread. I'm in the dark I guess. Can someone explain to me what link they're fussing about and what harm is being done?
Use the link in post #61 from that thread....that seems to be the only one working at this time. It will allow you to enter your vehicle information and subsequently take you to an electronic version of your respective Chiltons Manual.

The reason they are upset is because they sell the license to use their e-manuals and if we accessing from someone else's licensing rights, then they consider it a lost sale and/or decreasing the value of their product. If people can access them for free, then it makes it more difficult for them to collect licensing fees and sell their e-manuals.
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
1,538 Posts
Another vote for deletion. A couple of things I'd point out:

It's not like this is the only portal on the net to this information. As noted, most of these kinds of links are going through a public library somewhere. I would suggest that people check with their local public library to see if they have a subscription. If not, you can suggest they consider getting a subscription.

I would also point out that free version of Chilton's DIY manuals are available at autozone's website. You have to register, but the access is free.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
4,886 Posts
Discussion Starter #14
I'm waiting to hear back from them actually.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
46 Posts
I was not aware of this link prior to this thread. So, I wandered over there and checked out what they have for another vehicle that I work on often...an 86 Pontiac Fiero. I found their information completely useless. The wiring diagrams are too small to read, and only show the main power distribution and engine harness. The cradle (subframe) shows information for an 88 rather than an 86 (completely different design). I stopped looking at that point.

So...Rather than deleting the link...I vote that you suggest that they provide something worth stealing before accusing us of stealing it. Hmmm...I guess fiction can be copyrighted too...maybe it would be easier to just delete it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,982 Posts
Im gonna agree with everyone else on the deleting of the thread, it is their own fault for making it so easy for some one to steal it and post it up here, there is no need for you to lose any financial stuff over it. I know people who swear by chilton and games manuals but me personally I've never owned either I go off of experience and others experience and we have a lot of that on the site.... its to bad they have to be so persistent on it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,089 Posts
Delete it Steve as its not worth the trouble ,by the way i just ordered a HAYNES repair manual for my 09 Silverado
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,514 Posts
If anything they could only sue the poster ..not this site ! They want to but would loose any claim !
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
806 Posts
Didn't the company BACKRACK try this same thing almost a year ago?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
275 Posts
If anything, they should look at that as a "Look, people actually use our product on this site". Not, "Let's sue the forum because someone posted our link for our product". I don't understand that idea at all. If we find your link to be good and help full, I'll end up buying your book then.

Oh well, those books never have good details anyways. I use AllData at work if I want to look up something.
 
1 - 20 of 20 Posts
Top